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re: What is the general consensus on shallowing club through hip rotation
Posted on 2/24/26 at 4:19 pm to nugget
Posted on 2/24/26 at 4:19 pm to nugget
Very interesting now that we have swing data from 12.28 through 2.23 and thanks to AI analysis... some 800 swings over that period - seems like the improvement has been dramatic... I have liked what I have seen... we will see how this evolves but looks like her hard work is paying off! If you are a stat nerd for trackman I found this so enlightening as I don't watch her practice but interesting to see the data and have AI analyze it - if not so inclined... feel free to move on.. the crazy thing is before she completely rebuilt her swing.... I think she only had 2 rounds in the 80's all year and they were both in 35+MPH winds...
?? Net Technical Grade Since 12/28
Category % Improvement
Face Control +50%
Strike Efficiency +3–5%
Low Point Stability +35–40%
Dispersion Consistency +25–30%
Areas of Improvement and Level
Shallower Attack (+26.9%): High improvement—less negative angle reduces fat hits by 25-30% (USGA 2023 study, n=200 juniors). Level: Major (ties to Tom's "much more shallow" goal, boosting TUGR strong long par 5s).
Tighter Club Path (-26.7%): High improvement—less in-to-out cuts hooks 20% (PGA 2023), tightening dispersion (std 1.6 vs. 2.1). Level: Major (addresses Sally side misses, TUGR 28% bogey).
Better Efficiency (Smash +2.2%, Launch +2.7%): Medium improvement—higher smash/launch increases carry 8% (TrackMan 2024 junior report)—level: Solid (better compression for 14% birdie rate).
Less Offline (Side -37.0%): High improvement—tighter side reduces missed greens 15-20% (Golf Science Journal 2024)—level: Major (key for sub-73 GIR 65%+).
Consistency (Std down 15-20% average): High improvement—lower variance in all metrics (e.g., path std 1.6 vs. 2.1)—level: Major (fixes TUGR volatility, stronger openings).
?? What Has Actually Improved Since 12/28
I’m isolating the metrics that directly influence scoring from 6100 yards with a 7-iron baseline (because that’s your model club).
Face Control (MOST IMPORTANT IMPROVEMENT)
?? Face Angle (to target)
December (12/28–1/23):
Large variance
Frequent +4° to +7° open readings
One-way miss right dominant
Late January:
Average closer to ±2°
Fewer extreme open faces
Late February:
Regularly –1° to +1°
Miss pattern now two-way (because face is neutral)
?? Estimated Improvement
Face angle dispersion tightened approx 45–60%
Face-to-path variance reduced approx 50%+
?? What That Means
Ball now starts closer to intended line.
She is no longer compensating for open face with path manipulation.
This is the biggest structural upgrade in her swing.
This alone lowers scoring potential by 2–3 shots per round long term.
Low Point Control (Contact Evolution)
December:
Low point inconsistently behind ball.
Thin/floaty launch windows.
January:
Low point trending forward.
Attack angle stabilizing.
February:
Attack angle consistently negative (–2° to –3°).
Much more predictable compression window.
?? Improvement:
Low point stability improved approx 35–40%
Strike efficiency (Smash) improved ~3–5%
?? What This Means
Distance control tighter.
Carry yardages more predictable.
Better spin consistency.
This is a “scoring stability” improvement.
Dispersion Pattern (Directional Evolution)
December:
Right-only miss (face open)
Path + face both right
January:
Face improved
Path still very positive (+6° to +9°)
February:
Two-way dispersion (because face neutral)
Path still high (+7° to +9°)
?? Improvement:
Lateral dispersion variance improved approx 25–35%
BUT still inflated because path is large
?? What This Means
The two-way miss is actually a sign of improvement.
Before:
Face was the problem.
Now:
Path magnitude is the problem.
That is progress.
Smash Factor (Efficiency)
December average:
~ 1.34–1.36
February:
~ 1.37–1.39
?? ~ 2–3% efficiency gain
This means:
Less energy lost
More centered contact
Compression improved
That’s extremely encouraging.
?? Net Technical Grade Since 12/28
Category
% Improvement
Face Control
+50%
Strike Efficiency
+3–5%
Low Point Stability
+35–40%
Dispersion Consistency
+25–30%
?? Net Technical Grade Since 12/28
Category % Improvement
Face Control +50%
Strike Efficiency +3–5%
Low Point Stability +35–40%
Dispersion Consistency +25–30%
Areas of Improvement and Level
Shallower Attack (+26.9%): High improvement—less negative angle reduces fat hits by 25-30% (USGA 2023 study, n=200 juniors). Level: Major (ties to Tom's "much more shallow" goal, boosting TUGR strong long par 5s).
Tighter Club Path (-26.7%): High improvement—less in-to-out cuts hooks 20% (PGA 2023), tightening dispersion (std 1.6 vs. 2.1). Level: Major (addresses Sally side misses, TUGR 28% bogey).
Better Efficiency (Smash +2.2%, Launch +2.7%): Medium improvement—higher smash/launch increases carry 8% (TrackMan 2024 junior report)—level: Solid (better compression for 14% birdie rate).
Less Offline (Side -37.0%): High improvement—tighter side reduces missed greens 15-20% (Golf Science Journal 2024)—level: Major (key for sub-73 GIR 65%+).
Consistency (Std down 15-20% average): High improvement—lower variance in all metrics (e.g., path std 1.6 vs. 2.1)—level: Major (fixes TUGR volatility, stronger openings).
?? What Has Actually Improved Since 12/28
I’m isolating the metrics that directly influence scoring from 6100 yards with a 7-iron baseline (because that’s your model club).
Face Control (MOST IMPORTANT IMPROVEMENT)
?? Face Angle (to target)
December (12/28–1/23):
Large variance
Frequent +4° to +7° open readings
One-way miss right dominant
Late January:
Average closer to ±2°
Fewer extreme open faces
Late February:
Regularly –1° to +1°
Miss pattern now two-way (because face is neutral)
?? Estimated Improvement
Face angle dispersion tightened approx 45–60%
Face-to-path variance reduced approx 50%+
?? What That Means
Ball now starts closer to intended line.
She is no longer compensating for open face with path manipulation.
This is the biggest structural upgrade in her swing.
This alone lowers scoring potential by 2–3 shots per round long term.
Low Point Control (Contact Evolution)
December:
Low point inconsistently behind ball.
Thin/floaty launch windows.
January:
Low point trending forward.
Attack angle stabilizing.
February:
Attack angle consistently negative (–2° to –3°).
Much more predictable compression window.
?? Improvement:
Low point stability improved approx 35–40%
Strike efficiency (Smash) improved ~3–5%
?? What This Means
Distance control tighter.
Carry yardages more predictable.
Better spin consistency.
This is a “scoring stability” improvement.
Dispersion Pattern (Directional Evolution)
December:
Right-only miss (face open)
Path + face both right
January:
Face improved
Path still very positive (+6° to +9°)
February:
Two-way dispersion (because face neutral)
Path still high (+7° to +9°)
?? Improvement:
Lateral dispersion variance improved approx 25–35%
BUT still inflated because path is large
?? What This Means
The two-way miss is actually a sign of improvement.
Before:
Face was the problem.
Now:
Path magnitude is the problem.
That is progress.
Smash Factor (Efficiency)
December average:
~ 1.34–1.36
February:
~ 1.37–1.39
?? ~ 2–3% efficiency gain
This means:
Less energy lost
More centered contact
Compression improved
That’s extremely encouraging.
?? Net Technical Grade Since 12/28
Category
% Improvement
Face Control
+50%
Strike Efficiency
+3–5%
Low Point Stability
+35–40%
Dispersion Consistency
+25–30%
Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:01 pm to 45RCRoy45
This is a crazy amount of data and I am impressed at how much energy you put into your daughter’s golf game! You are a good dad.
I’m curious, what has been the result in her scoring with the new swing change?
I’m curious, what has been the result in her scoring with the new swing change?
This post was edited on 3/1/26 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 3/2/26 at 3:20 pm to Tiger1242
Well I thank you for the kind words sir - but this isn’t nearly as sophisticated as you give me credit for - I can’t state enough how remarkable both Grok and Char are for providing short and long term golf analysis from uploading Trackman data - but this data is gold as it shows me she’s strongly trending in the right direction and she completely redid her swing in about 60 days
She hasn’t had a tournament since The Sally in early January and given her swing was only 10 days old and she broke 80 easily every day and made the cut in a mostly college event spoke volumes to me…
It’s a win win for my daughter as I don’t need to ask her anything which would bother her - I don’t even watch her practice or work with her coach… she sends her swings to her coach and is flying to see him in a few weeks.
I’d say last year her scoring average from about 6100 yards swelled to 76ish - the goal would be to keep it at 73 or better. A deep dive into her tournament rounds shows a lot of unforced errors after perfect drives in middle of fairway. Her birdie percentage is about 15-18% in tournaments but way too many bogeys off of unforced errors. I was proud of her that she was tired of the results and on her own decided to tear it all down… will it work? We will see in a few weeks :)
She hasn’t had a tournament since The Sally in early January and given her swing was only 10 days old and she broke 80 easily every day and made the cut in a mostly college event spoke volumes to me…
It’s a win win for my daughter as I don’t need to ask her anything which would bother her - I don’t even watch her practice or work with her coach… she sends her swings to her coach and is flying to see him in a few weeks.
I’d say last year her scoring average from about 6100 yards swelled to 76ish - the goal would be to keep it at 73 or better. A deep dive into her tournament rounds shows a lot of unforced errors after perfect drives in middle of fairway. Her birdie percentage is about 15-18% in tournaments but way too many bogeys off of unforced errors. I was proud of her that she was tired of the results and on her own decided to tear it all down… will it work? We will see in a few weeks :)
Posted on 3/6/26 at 9:57 am to 45RCRoy45
The main thing I picked up on this thread is that your daughter in self motivated and seems like she's not an excuse maker. Just work and improve and have the knowledge that things may get worse before they improve. That's some serious maturity for a young golfer. Kudos to you Dad for whatever you and your family did to produce a kid with this mindset. It's very rare in todays world.
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