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re: Martin Slumbers head of R&A is not a LIV fan

Posted on 7/14/22 at 12:37 am to
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8403 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 12:37 am to
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quote:Also, as a bit of an aside, I have worked with Middle Eastern sovereign wealth funds as an LP in alternative assets. They absolutely, 1000% will expect an economic return at some point (probably 5 - 7 years like most PE funds). That seems to be a consistent misunderstanding amongst both pro- and anti-LIV people: that they are an irrational actor willing to burn money purely to sportswash. Reputation laundering is a component, but they absolutely adhere to an internal IRR. You don’t grow the PIF like they do without being a disciplined investor. I agree, they aren't going to let it be a sieve, but I don't know that they're looking to make a huge profit. But if it doesn't get any kind of real revenue it will go away eventually


Not to cross over threads and boards, but what I saw from someone (lsufb1912, maybe?) on the MSB was just flat out fricking stupid. Of course LIV has to dominate professional golf; the model doesn’t work in the long run if they don’t. There is no co-existing as peer Tours in five years. That’s why LIV is offering nine figures to otherwise shitty and washed up players and why the Tour is trotting out 9/11 victim sob stories and pressing Senators and Congressmen. From a strategic economic perspective, this is winner take all. The loser dies.

If I were an advisor to LIV, and I am not, I would get someone other than Norman to run that operation. He is a liability and will be nothing but a drag going forward. I would also steer clear of Trump courses if you really want to reach the largest audience and not attach an additional weight to an already reputationally struggling upstart, but so far, it’s clear they’ve had a penchant for going after otherwise good clubs in a lot of financial trouble (Pumpkin Ridge, Doral, Bedminster).
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 4:32 am to
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Well actually it is up for debate or the DOJ wouldn't have opened a probe and lawsuits wouldn't be getting ready to get filed.


This DOJ is a corrupt pile of shite. Our government is in bed with Saudi and will do its bidding. It’s nothing more than scare tactics
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 4:34 am to
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Also, as a bit of an aside, I have worked with Middle Eastern sovereign wealth funds as an LP in alternative assets. They absolutely, 1000% will expect an economic return at some point (probably 5 - 7 years like most PE funds). That seems to be a consistent misunderstanding amongst both pro- and anti-LIV people: that they are an irrational actor willing to burn money purely to sportswash.


Thank you. I’ve been trying to beat this fact through mingos thick skull for some time now.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
20893 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 6:29 am to
Admitting that there is an anti-trust case is also admitting that LIV is not a legit tour.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
28172 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 6:46 am to
LIV can do what they want.

PGA can do what they want.

Problem?
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
20893 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 7:48 am to
Why is this anchored?
Posted by MikeD
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
7857 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 12:02 pm to
When do we expect the LIV Women’s Tour? Oh that’s right, never mind.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
28172 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 12:30 pm to
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When do we expect the LIV Women’s Tour? Oh that’s right, never mind.


Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
53056 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 4:36 pm to
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The rest of the golf world has a right to preserve their game and it’s traditions.


Then we should go back to its real roots and only allow amateurs.
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