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re: Keegan Bradley expected to be named 2025 Ryder Cup Captain

Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:27 pm to
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
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Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:27 pm to
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Zach Johnson shouldn’t have used the pairings of Spieth/Thomas and Xander/Cantlay that had success in 2021?


No. He should have seen that Spieth had no form and changed something up. Xander just seemed to play like chicken shite, but Jordan was dog shite. To me, the poor play from our top guys was indicative of the leadership. They had no fire. The Euros were playing like it was the biggest event of their lives.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:45 pm to
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He should have seen that Spieth had no form and changed something up.
But you have been arguing JT did have form
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/10/24 at 11:30 pm to
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But you have been arguing JT did have form
No you moron. Have been pointing out, repeatedly he scored points, which is the sole reason he, and everyone else was on the team.

If everyone on the team did as well as JT at scoring points the US brings home the cup in a blowout.
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:03 am to
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Again, again and again. SG is not what matters. You’re not playing the course, you’re playing the opponent. Beating the opponent on the hole is the only important stat.


I get what you’re saying here, but you don’t control what your opponent does. If you hit it in the shite on a par 5, then your opponent hits it OB and makes double but you make bogey, it’s not better golf than someone making birdie but losing to an eagle.

Again, I agree that all that truly matters is getting points. But points can be misleading for how well someone plays, especially since 4 of the matches are team matches, not individual ones.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 6:36 am to
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If you hit it in the shite on a par 5, then your opponent hits it OB
You need to learn match play
If you are hitting first, going in the water doesn’t give your opponent a good visual of the ball flying into the green, where as making a birdie may give him a read at a putt
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 6:36 am
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 6:59 am to
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But you have been arguing JT did have form


What does JT's form have to do with Spieth playing like pure shite?
Posted by JimTiger72
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:26 am to
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You need to learn match play


why are you the way that you are
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:29 am to
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What does JT's form have to do with Spieth playing like pure shite
What does Spieth playing like shite have to do with JT also playing like shite? They both played like arse

Or does JT getting 1.5 pts vs Spieths 1 point mean he didn’t play shitty?
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 7:30 am
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:29 am to
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I get what you’re saying here, but you don’t control what your opponent does
Actually you have quite a bit of influence over your opponents decision making. And your own frankly.

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If you hit it in the shite on a par 5, then your opponent hits it OB and makes double but you make bogey, it’s not better golf than someone making birdie but losing to an eagle.
Actually it is, because what’s the goal in match play? It’s not to make birdie every hole, it’s to beat your opponent on every hole.

You’re on a hole with a difficult pin if you miss on the wrong side of a ridge….but for pros is an easy up and down from the bunker. Do you try and hit to the sucker pin or just put it in the bunker and see what your opponent tries?

Looks like shite on a SG stat, right play.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:30 am to
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Actually it is, because what’s the goal in match play? It’s not to make birdie every hole, it’s to beat your opponent on every hole.


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You’re on a hole with a difficult pin if you miss on the wrong side of a ridge….but for pros is an easy up and down from the bunker. Do you try and hit to the sucker pin or just put it in the bunker and see what your opponent tries?


Bro look at his actual example. You are first hitting into the green. You go into the water. But then after that your opponent goes OB so you win the hole

You say that’s actually playing the hole better than going first and stiffing it to 1 foot tap in birdie then your opponent hits in for eagle so you lose

It’s asinine

This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 7:33 am
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:36 am to
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why are you the way that you are
He honestly doesn’t get how clueless he is about match play.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:42 am to
You just made the argument if you are the first to play it’s better to hit into the water than put one close on the green….
Posted by Splackavellie
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Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 8:07 am to
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I have no idea how to feel about this.


Well at least he seems excited.

This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 8:09 am
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
Slaughter Swamp
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 8:16 am to
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What does Spieth playing like shite have to do with JT also playing like shite? They both played like arse

Or does JT getting 1.5 pts vs Spieths 1 point mean he didn’t play shitty?


Go to the wimbledon thread and let the golfers talk about golf.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
19284 posts
Posted on 7/11/24 at 8:23 am to
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You just made the argument if you are the first to play it’s better to hit into the water than put one close on the green….
I made the argument it’s better to put it in the bunker than hit to the sucker pin.

Because I know how to play my opponent, and your opponent is the golf course.

Illustrates quite clearly you don’t know how to play golf, especially at a high level.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
19284 posts
Posted on 7/11/24 at 8:31 am to
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Bro look at his actual example. You are first hitting into the green. You go into the water. But then after that your opponent goes OB so you win the hole
His example doesn’t apply to match play. Unless the players suck and are trying to make birdie when their opponent will have to be perfect to make par. No quality golfer will hit anywhere near OB if their opponent is in the drink.
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You say that’s actually playing the hole better than going first and stiffing it to 1 foot tap in birdie then your opponent hits in for eagle so you lose
You haven’t understood a thing that was said because you don’t understand the game at all.


Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 8:37 am to
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No quality golfer will hit anywhere near OB if their opponent is in the drink.
It happened multiple times in the RC last year where both players went into the water on the short par 4 # 16

Players hit shite shots. Even the pros. Which is why you can play poorly at times and still win in match play….

I’ll ask you one last question:

Do you think it’s easier to beat Scottie Scheffler in match play or Mingo?

You are in a corner now. Because if you say the obvious here that it’s easier to beat mingo, you are simply agreeing that how your opponent plays matters a shite ton in match play results
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 8:45 am
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
44799 posts
Posted on 7/11/24 at 9:07 am to
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You’re on a hole with a difficult pin if you miss on the wrong side of a ridge….but for pros is an easy up and down from the bunker. Do you try and hit to the sucker pin or just put it in the bunker and see what your opponent tries?


Completely agree with that example. That’s not the example I’m using. On the par 3 17th, there were times that everyone missed way left into either the hazard or got lucky and stayed short with that impossible chip.

Also, in 4 balls, everyone is basically going for birdie all the time. If I only make 2 birdies in my fourball match, but we win, I’m not really doing my part to help the team.

Tiger had the one match in 2012 where he shot like 64, but Stricker made 2 birdies. They both get a loss but clearly Tiger was a better player than Stricker. Their opponents were Colsaerts and Westwood. Colsaerts made an eagle and 8 birdies and Westy didn’t do anything. They both get a win, but clearly one guy was more important and SG would show that.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
19284 posts
Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:06 am to
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Do you think it’s easier to beat Scottie Scheffler in match play or Mingo?
Dunno, what’s the course, conditions, etc.

99 times out of 100 it won’t matter if Mingo is a scratch you take Scottie. If it’s a course Mingo plays a lot, plays well and has a partner that compliments his game and you give Scottie a partner who doesn’t I’m probably betting on Mingo.

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You are in a corner now. Because if you say the obvious here that it’s easier to beat mingo, you are simply agreeing that how your opponent plays matters a shite ton in match play results
Not really because nothing has changed. It doesn’t matter, all that matters is winning enough holes.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104325 posts
Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:13 am to
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it’s a course Mingo plays a lot, plays well and has a partner that compliments his game and you give Scottie a partner who doesn’t I’m probably betting on Mingo.


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