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Posted on 11/6/20 at 12:39 pm to
Posted by oauron
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 12:39 pm to
Backwards compatibility seems to be pretty great on both machines.
Posted by Cs
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 12:43 pm to
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PS5 does this too its in the UI video. Just don't know the details. LINK

I never really used it at all on PS4.


It doesn't suspend the game nor does it save the game state. It just closes the game and cold boots the game you want.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 12:45 pm to
No the Ps4 saves where you are at. You don't cold boot the game. You resume right in the game where you were.
This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 12:49 pm
Posted by Cs
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 12:50 pm to
The PS5 doesn't have Quick Resume or any similar functionality.

The review embargo was today and this has already been confirmed by multiple outlets.

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One of the big features that Microsoft has touted with Xbox Series X and Series S is Quick Resume, allowing you to bounce back and forth between multiple games without having to exit one and boot up the next one from scratch.

If you were hoping the NVMe SSD that the PlayStation 5 is equipped with would allow for something similar, you're out of luck: Quick Resume doesn't exist on PS5, at least at launch. When you're playing a game on PS5 and switch to another one, you'll have to exit out of your current game and start a cold boot on the next one. Fortunately, the speed of the PS5's SSD does mean that starting up a game that isn't running is much faster than what we're generally accustomed to on current-generation consoles.

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However, the ability to essentially be playing multiple games at once doesn't exist. That means you'll need to find a save point in, say, Demon's Souls if you don't want to lose any progress when you decide to join your friends for a match of Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War.


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Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 12:51 pm to
It has the same thing as the PS4. You can suspend and resume where you were. PS4 has had that since about 2 years after it came out.

How different the PS5 implementation is we don't know.
This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 12:53 pm
Posted by Cs
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 12:53 pm to
Which means closing your current game if you want to start playing another one.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 12:53 pm to
Which isn't what you just said.
Posted by Cs
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 1:00 pm to
We're talking about Quick Resume, no? The ability to suspend and save the current state of your game.

You're not creating a save state when you suspend a game on PS4 or Xbox One. You're just minimizing the game. It still occupies space in RAM.

Quick Resume takes a snapshot of your game file and creates a frame precise save state that's stored in a special reserve on the SSD. You can power off and unplug the console, turn it back on, and continue exactly where you left off.

The game exists as a virtual snapshot on your SSD and remains persistent even after losing power.
This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 1:02 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 1:03 pm to
Right, but you said the PS4 cold boots which is completely false. The PS4 will boot right back into the game and the spot you were at in the game.
Posted by Cs
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 1:08 pm to
We're talking about Quick Resume.

Geaux posted this - "Also being expanded to not just the last game you played, but pretty much all your games."

To which you responded - "PS5 does this too its in the UI video. Just don't know the details. LINK. I never really used it at all on PS4."


That is false. PS5 does not do that, nor does the PS4. Saying "I never really use it on PS4" is a gross misunderstanding of what we're talking about. Minimizing the game is not Quick Resume, and it's not what we're talking about.

I then responded to you by saying this - "It doesn't suspend the game nor does it save the game state. It just closes the game and cold boots the game you want."

This was said in the context of switching to another game - the game is NOT suspended, nor is it saved. You have to save it, close it, then cold boot to another game.

This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 1:10 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 1:10 pm to
Right and that's where I corrected you that the PS4 does save your game state so you can resume right where you left off. You do not boot to the menu, you boot right back into the game and where you were in the game.
This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 1:11 pm
Posted by Cs
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 1:12 pm to
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Right and that's where I corrected you that the PS4 does save your game state so you can resume right where you left off.


You're minimizing the game. The game data is just sitting in RAM.

You're not saving anything on the HDD. If you minimize the game and unplug your console, you lose the data.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 1:14 pm to
Sure, simply corrected what you said about not saving game state and cold booting.

No clue what the PS5 version does. All we know is it says games plural to suspend in the UI. Very well could be like PS4 and not ready.
Posted by Cs
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 1:15 pm to
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Sure, simply corrected what you said about not saving game state and cold booting.


It closes the game and cold boots to a new game, which is the context in which that statement was made.

And we know what the PS5 does, because I posted a Gamespot article earlier on this page that literally said there is no Quick Resume functionality on the PS5.

Edit - With that said, I do expect Sony to update the system within a year to offer the something similar.
This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 1:18 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 1:17 pm to
Quick Resume is on the PS4, I'd be shocked if PS5 doesn't have it. Especially with it in the UI.
This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 1:18 pm
Posted by nismosao
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 2:12 pm to
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Quick Resume is on the PS4, I'd be shocked if PS5 doesn't have it. Especially with it in the UI


Bro, you seem dense. The dude is explaining it to you, and you’re just rambling the same statement. Quick resume in the sense that everyone else is speaking about is when there are multiple games loaded where you can jump between each and start right away.

You’re talking about one game. Both the ps4 and Xbox one could do this. That’s not worthy of mentioning.
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 2:16 pm to
Well that is quick resume that's why. The ability to quickly resume a game.

Saying the PS5 doesn't have it when the PS4 does is just foolish and misleading.

And also like I said and we've already seen prior, multiple game switching is already baked into the UI. It's called Switcher in the control panel and we saw it weeks ago.

Lot of misinformation in this thread.
This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 2:23 pm
Posted by Cs
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 2:31 pm to
Everyone in this thread is talking about Microsoft's Quick Resume feature. Gaming outlets and media all recognize this phrase and its corresponding functionality.

- Tech Radar - Xbox Series X Quick Resume is as seamless as you hoped.

Venture Beat - Xbox Series X's 'Quick Resume' demo is better than magic.

Gamespot - Xbox Series X Quick Resume is a (literal) Game Changer

The entire industry for the past 6 months has been talking about this. And it's obvious this is what everyone in this thread was talking about. Yet you somehow, either through ignorance or an intentional desire to troll, took that to literally mean "minimize the game and then quickly resume it".

That's like arguing there's an actual retina in the iPhone's Retina Display and refusing to acknowledge the technology or the marketing phraseology.

Here's a video review of the PS5 UI. It very clearly shows that you have to cold boot into each new game that you want to play, even when switching back to a game you were just playing. The game state is not saved, and the game is closed out and cleared from RAM when you load a new game.



This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 2:34 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 2:34 pm to
Right, and you said the PS4 was the same way which was inaccurate as the PS4 saves your game state to instantly boot back up into the game right where you left it. Exact same thing. You're just talking about the Xbox doing it for more than one game, and I'm telling you the PS5 already has this baked into the UI for when it's ready on that system. It's called Switcher, and we've already seen it.

The PS4 took 2 years to get Quick Resume.
This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 2:35 pm
Posted by Cs
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 2:38 pm to
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I'm telling you the PS5 already has this baked into the UI for when it's ready on that system


I'm glad we can both finally agree that the PS5 does not have Quick Resume.
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