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re: TD 360 Dynasty Thread - Advance 4/5/09 @ 10 PM
Posted on 5/5/09 at 7:39 am to 9Fiddy
Posted on 5/5/09 at 7:39 am to 9Fiddy
There are a lot better ways you can use a fast quarterback but if that's what he wants to do then go for it. It equaled to a safety in our game.
Back to the drawing board for my O. I can't seem to generate any yards with them. Need a new playbook. Any suggestios. Of course my D can't stop anybody so they are not helping too much. Probably go back to LSU's playbook because they are pretty balanced and it won me a NC.
Since it looks like I am out of the NC race this year I am going to make some changes in my depth chart and get some Juniors who might leave less playing time to get them back another year. I did this before and it worked and I returned 3-4 key players that won me a NC last year.
Back to the drawing board for my O. I can't seem to generate any yards with them. Need a new playbook. Any suggestios. Of course my D can't stop anybody so they are not helping too much. Probably go back to LSU's playbook because they are pretty balanced and it won me a NC.
Since it looks like I am out of the NC race this year I am going to make some changes in my depth chart and get some Juniors who might leave less playing time to get them back another year. I did this before and it worked and I returned 3-4 key players that won me a NC last year.
This post was edited on 5/5/09 at 7:49 am
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Posted on 5/5/09 at 8:10 am to relentlsspursuit
quote:
EA hates PSU
What's going to be worse? Getting hosed by the BCS or getting into the NC game and not being able to play it?
Posted on 5/5/09 at 9:18 am to Kracka
Good question. I propose a rapid advancement schedule. 2 advances a day.
Posted on 5/5/09 at 10:01 am to cene
Cene,
First off, good game, it came down to the wire. It baffles me how you can consistently get your WR behind my DB's even on a WR double on your #1. Frustrates the hell out of me.
For those that are wondering, final score was 38-35 USC, but with :47 to go, he scored a TD to make it 35-31. I scored with :17 left to make it 38-35.
We always play close games, decided by 3 or less.
Now, to address your concerns:
I think that you know I'm a fair player and not a "cheeser." We have played many times before without incident. For example, I kicked 3 field goals during the game, a few when it was 4th and 3 or less and on your side of the 50.
There were a few times in the second quarter when I dropped back, intended to pass, no one was open, and I scrambled until I could find a receiver. I didn't "run in circles" like "cheesers" do, I dropped back into the pocket, and when it started to collapse, rushed forward out of the pocket and rolled to either the left or the right. I do run a spread "O" with a fast QB and Florida's playbook, so a lot of the times when my QB runs, it is a designed play. I even have a few QB draw plays where he is supposed to hang back for a few seconds and then take off.
I don't see why this frustrated you though, as you did an excellent job of containing my QB, and I quickly altered my gameplan. Out of the handful of times that I ran those types of plays, I only completed one or two passes, and the rest of the time they were incomplete, batted down, or worse, intercepted.
I do agree, the 2 pt conversion play was ridiculous. It was a Speed Option play, and once I decided not to pitch it, I realized that I was screwed, but what else was I supposed to do but run back the other way when being tackled if I continued the course was an absolute certainty? I rolled back the other way, thinking there was no way I'd make it, but by a miracle, I did. There was never any option to pass on that play, which IMO would have made all the difference on that play between "cheesing" and not.
In the end though, that conversion ended up not really being a factor in the game at all.
First off, good game, it came down to the wire. It baffles me how you can consistently get your WR behind my DB's even on a WR double on your #1. Frustrates the hell out of me.
For those that are wondering, final score was 38-35 USC, but with :47 to go, he scored a TD to make it 35-31. I scored with :17 left to make it 38-35.
We always play close games, decided by 3 or less.
Now, to address your concerns:
quote:
okay i'm not pissed that i lost, i'm pissed about shite done in the second quarter.
i'm pissed that we set up rules and not even the commish follows them. The second quarter he ran in circles with his QB until a receiver got open. Is that not cheesing? Then the 2 pt conversion which even in my opinion wasn't as bad but still he tossed right then when nothing happened right he ran left. This happens in football so i'm not as upset by this as i am the qb running in circles and backwards until a receiver comes back to the ball.
During the game i was so pissed i wanted to quit. His offense was being shut down until he did that shite. Just like the 2pt conversion would have been stopped had he not gone the other way. We really need to clarify whats okay and whats not.
I can handle the running back thing, although to me its cheesing as well because its not just taking a pitch then going straight in the opposite direction its running to one side then turning around and running to the other because your rb is fast. I know this happens in real life but are we considering it fair here as well?
I think that you know I'm a fair player and not a "cheeser." We have played many times before without incident. For example, I kicked 3 field goals during the game, a few when it was 4th and 3 or less and on your side of the 50.
There were a few times in the second quarter when I dropped back, intended to pass, no one was open, and I scrambled until I could find a receiver. I didn't "run in circles" like "cheesers" do, I dropped back into the pocket, and when it started to collapse, rushed forward out of the pocket and rolled to either the left or the right. I do run a spread "O" with a fast QB and Florida's playbook, so a lot of the times when my QB runs, it is a designed play. I even have a few QB draw plays where he is supposed to hang back for a few seconds and then take off.
I don't see why this frustrated you though, as you did an excellent job of containing my QB, and I quickly altered my gameplan. Out of the handful of times that I ran those types of plays, I only completed one or two passes, and the rest of the time they were incomplete, batted down, or worse, intercepted.
I do agree, the 2 pt conversion play was ridiculous. It was a Speed Option play, and once I decided not to pitch it, I realized that I was screwed, but what else was I supposed to do but run back the other way when being tackled if I continued the course was an absolute certainty? I rolled back the other way, thinking there was no way I'd make it, but by a miracle, I did. There was never any option to pass on that play, which IMO would have made all the difference on that play between "cheesing" and not.
In the end though, that conversion ended up not really being a factor in the game at all.
This post was edited on 5/5/09 at 10:37 am
Posted on 5/5/09 at 10:19 am to Rick Rickles
quote:
I don't understand what we constitute as cheesing on offense then. If to y'all thats not cheesing then shite putting a fast Wr at QB shouldn't be cheesing either since its just a wildcat formation.
I mean we laid ground rules for a reason, but we can't determine what falls under them whats the point in having them? If Ez can't put a rb at DE to sure up speed on the defensive side, why should we allow a qb to run in circles because he's faster then all the down linemen until someone is able to get open? Its just not how i play and not how i want to play. Its like playing with people online who can't actually play the game.
This isn't at all a complaint that i want the game to be thrown out or anything, i'm fine with the final results. I just want to know what we're calling cheesing and not. In my personal opinion the second quarter was exactly how we agreed not to play. It was mainly one drive and then a two pt conversion later. The two point conversion i can deal with i had opportunities to tackle but didnt' make it, but at the same time it also felt like it was against what we decided on.
The rest of the game was mostly I-form and Ace sets because I was not having any success with the Spread and Shotgun, and I ran Dives and Pitches and Slants.
I've played everyone in the league multiple times, and I think everyone would agree that I'm the last person that would "cheese."
If I am wrong, and anyone thinks that this game should be tossed, I'll purge the results and we can play again. Having a happy constituency in the league is more important to me than winning a game.
I recruited the QB I have for his speed, so I could run a fast Spread "O" and have a dynamic offensive attack. Part of that plan was that he would be a scrambler.
Like I said, I don't think I dropped back 20 yds, ran in a 360 circle and then threw to an open guy. I stayed in the pocket until the pressure was collapsing it, and then ran forward out of it and away from the D-linemen to avoid the tackle. My actions were a product of the excellent pressure your "D" brought and were not game plan plays from the get go.
I just did what I thought I had to do at that moment to stay competitive. Like you said, the open Spread was my strategy for only the 2nd quarter, and the rest of the game was completely different because it wasn't working.
It was akin to the way you went for it on 4th and 7 from your own 30ish in the 3rd because it was what you thought you had to do. In a vacuum, that kind of play would be "cheesing," but taken as a whole with your other play calls in the game, which included punts on almost every other 4th down, it wasn't, and that's why I wasn't pissed off with the call. I stopped it, but even if you had made it, it was understandable, as we were in a shootout.
All I'm saying is look at the totality of how I played the game, and if then, you still feel that I "cheesed," then we will play again, and I have no problem with that.
I'm sorry that you feel that I didn't do right by you, as that was never my intention. You are a great opponent to face in the game, as you are tough to beat, play fair, and present quite a challenge. I always enjoy playing you. I hope you haven't been soured on the league at all by any of this.
As for "cheesing" in general, we have a set of dynamic, unspoken rules that define our policy. The motto is:
"If you think it might be "cheesing," it probably is "cheesing," and don't "cheese."
The rules that Nelly posted in the 3* league are some good guidelines to follow.
The main objective is to preserve the integrity of the game. If it is done on the real gridiron, then it is acceptable on the e-gridiron.
Position switches can only be done during the official postition swithces in the offseason. WR's and HB's at QB can be done like it is done in the real game. Keep in mind though, that those types of situations are the exception and not the rule.
FWIW, if we get damn formation subs for next year, this would largely be a moot point.
In season, A WR might sub for a QB for a special play or two, but if you're running it the whole game, you might be a "cheeser."
If you have a fast QB like Pat White or Mike Vick, then you can operate like they did, but within reason. Scrambles integrated into otherwise normal game strategy is fine, but dropping back 20 yards, running in circles, and bombing it every play is not acceptable.
If anyone has any questions or any problems, please let me know. As always, if a concern arises from gameplay, bring it to the board for league-wide, democratic adjudication.
This post was edited on 5/5/09 at 10:59 am
Posted on 5/5/09 at 11:11 am to relentlsspursuit
quote:
Good question. I propose a rapid advancement schedule. 2 advances a day.
Advance Schedule:
Wk.. 10 -5/5 @ 8pm
Wk.. 11 -5/6 @ 8pm
Wk.. 12 -5/7 @ 8pm
Wk.. 13 -5/8 @ 8pm
Wk.. 14 -5/9 @ 8pm
Wk.. 15 -5/10 @ 5pm
BW 1/4 -5/11 @ 8am
NCG.....-5/11 @ 10pm
I'll try to keep this schedule for you relentless, that way if you make the NC, you can play, but I can't make any guarantees that people can make these hard and fast advance deadlines.
I hope it works out though if you do make it.
This post was edited on 5/5/09 at 11:12 am
Posted on 5/5/09 at 11:34 am to Rick Rickles
I will play my game at lunch today.
Posted on 5/5/09 at 11:35 am to Rick Rickles
That would be great but I doubt we can run that tight of a ship. It won't be the end of the world for me. I still have to beat CENE at his place anyway, not an easy task.
Additionally, I have to hope that I could even make the top 2. And if the NC game is against Florida, I don't even want to be in it.
Additionally, I have to hope that I could even make the top 2. And if the NC game is against Florida, I don't even want to be in it.
Posted on 5/5/09 at 11:37 am to relentlsspursuit
BTW., Gotta go to NO for work today so I may not be done with my game til 9ish. It might be 8, but it might be 9 too. If you advance shortly after, I'll play next weeks game tonight too.
Posted on 5/5/09 at 1:20 pm to Kracka
I'm ready to advance.
Posted on 5/5/09 at 3:39 pm to Kracka
I'm over it anyway, i know you play fair just as it was happening it didn't feel fair which led to my bitching afterward. That one possession just felt more like a cheese, specifically the one play where you seem to scramble for an hour.
I was fine with the two point conversion, just sucked from my position.
i don't want the game to be tossed out anyway. I just think we need to make sure we're all keen on whats fair and whats not. Like i said as it was happening i felt like it was cheesing, because it seemed more using the qb's speed like a reverse in john elway's football until a receiver got open then alluding tacklers. Again i'm over it just felt at the time that it was more "wrong" in the sense of fairness then right.
oh and it was fourth and 3 in the fourth with 3:00 minutes left. Forced you to a fg then scored on 3rd and 10 then you scored the winning td.
I was fine with the two point conversion, just sucked from my position.
i don't want the game to be tossed out anyway. I just think we need to make sure we're all keen on whats fair and whats not. Like i said as it was happening i felt like it was cheesing, because it seemed more using the qb's speed like a reverse in john elway's football until a receiver got open then alluding tacklers. Again i'm over it just felt at the time that it was more "wrong" in the sense of fairness then right.
oh and it was fourth and 3 in the fourth with 3:00 minutes left. Forced you to a fg then scored on 3rd and 10 then you scored the winning td.
This post was edited on 5/5/09 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 5/5/09 at 6:34 pm to cene
quote:
oh and it was fourth and 3 in the fourth with 3:00 minutes left. Forced you to a fg then scored on 3rd and 10 then you scored the winning td.
My bad. I thought it was at the end of the third and longer to convert.
I'm glad we're all good.
Now, go beat Art's arse. I have to live vicariously through you guys since I can't seem to do it.
Posted on 5/5/09 at 7:00 pm to Rick Rickles
quote:quote:
I don't understand what we constitute as cheesing on offense then. If to y'all thats not cheesing then shite putting a fast Wr at QB shouldn't be cheesing either since its just a wildcat formation.
I mean we laid ground rules for a reason, but we can't determine what falls under them whats the point in having them? If Ez can't put a rb at DE to sure up speed on the defensive side, why should we allow a qb to run in circles because he's faster then all the down linemen until someone is able to get open? Its just not how i play and not how i want to play. Its like playing with people online who can't actually play the game.
This isn't at all a complaint that i want the game to be thrown out or anything, i'm fine with the final results. I just want to know what we're calling cheesing and not. In my personal opinion the second quarter was exactly how we agreed not to play. It was mainly one drive and then a two pt conversion later. The two point conversion i can deal with i had opportunities to tackle but didnt' make it, but at the same time it also felt like it was against what we decided on.
The rest of the game was mostly I-form and Ace sets because I was not having any success with the Spread and Shotgun, and I ran Dives and Pitches and Slants.
I've played everyone in the league multiple times, and I think everyone would agree that I'm the last person that would "cheese."
If I am wrong, and anyone thinks that this game should be tossed, I'll purge the results and we can play again. Having a happy constituency in the league is more important to me than winning a game.
I recruited the QB I have for his speed, so I could run a fast Spread "O" and have a dynamic offensive attack. Part of that plan was that he would be a scrambler.
Like I said, I don't think I dropped back 20 yds, ran in a 360 circle and then threw to an open guy. I stayed in the pocket until the pressure was collapsing it, and then ran forward out of it and away from the D-linemen to avoid the tackle. My actions were a product of the excellent pressure your "D" brought and were not game plan plays from the get go.
I just did what I thought I had to do at that moment to stay competitive. Like you said, the open Spread was my strategy for only the 2nd quarter, and the rest of the game was completely different because it wasn't working.
It was akin to the way you went for it on 4th and 7 from your own 30ish in the 3rd because it was what you thought you had to do. In a vacuum, that kind of play would be "cheesing," but taken as a whole with your other play calls in the game, which included punts on almost every other 4th down, it wasn't, and that's why I wasn't pissed off with the call. I stopped it, but even if you had made it, it was understandable, as we were in a shootout.
All I'm saying is look at the totality of how I played the game, and if then, you still feel that I "cheesed," then we will play again, and I have no problem with that.
I'm sorry that you feel that I didn't do right by you, as that was never my intention. You are a great opponent to face in the game, as you are tough to beat, play fair, and present quite a challenge. I always enjoy playing you. I hope you haven't been soured on the league at all by any of this.
As for "cheesing" in general, we have a set of dynamic, unspoken rules that define our policy. The motto is:
"If you think it might be "cheesing," it probably is "cheesing," and don't "cheese."
The rules that Nelly posted in the 3* league are some good guidelines to follow.
The main objective is to preserve the integrity of the game. If it is done on the real gridiron, then it is acceptable on the e-gridiron.
Position switches can only be done during the official postition swithces in the offseason. WR's and HB's at QB can be done like it is done in the real game. Keep in mind though, that those types of situations are the exception and not the rule.
FWIW, if we get damn formation subs for next year, this would largely be a moot point.
In season, A WR might sub for a QB for a special play or two, but if you're running it the whole game, you might be a "cheeser."
If you have a fast QB like Pat White or Mike Vick, then you can operate like they did, but within reason. Scrambles integrated into otherwise normal game strategy is fine, but dropping back 20 yards, running in circles, and bombing it every play is not acceptable.
If anyone has any questions or any problems, please let me know. As always, if a concern arises from gameplay, bring it to the board for league-wide, democratic adjudication.
Posted on 5/5/09 at 7:18 pm to 9Fiddy
READ IT MUTHAfrickA!
Posted on 5/5/09 at 7:30 pm to Rick Rickles
ETA: Does anyone here want Tennessee in the All SEC league? ez had them until he dropped out last night. They have been dominating in recruiting, and should be pretty loaded for the next years. We are starting year 4 and their recruiting rankings have been
#4: Tennessee (1 5*, 10 4*, 14 3*) - 2008
#1: Tennessee (7 5*, 10 4*, 8 3*) - 2009
#1: Tennessee (4 5*, 11 4*, 8 3*) - 2010
I really don't want any more competition in the SECe, but this is almost too good of an opportunity to pass up.
This post was edited on 5/5/09 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 5/5/09 at 7:52 pm to 9Fiddy
i actually thought about switching to vanderbilt; however, i want to see how my qb pans out with a year under his belt. So i'm sticking with Jawja
Posted on 5/5/09 at 8:02 pm to cene
quote:
i actually thought about switching to vanderbilt
Posted on 5/5/09 at 8:03 pm to 9Fiddy
bad thing is i am actually serious. I can rebuild that squad pretty well, but usually i have to start from the first season. There's a pretty bad arse back up running back who becomes a beast if you start him first season. then you basically start fresh on defense.
but
considering everyone has talent i'm not stupid.
but
considering everyone has talent i'm not stupid.
Posted on 5/5/09 at 8:15 pm to cene
Take a look at them when we go to 2010.
Posted on 5/5/09 at 8:48 pm to 9Fiddy
kracka...
if we advance tonight, can you play
if we advance tonight, can you play
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