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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
Posted on 6/16/13 at 9:46 am to stout
Posted on 6/16/13 at 9:46 am to stout
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I am thinking about building this as an HTPC/Steam box and to see what the new APUs from AMD can do.
IDK if you have ever seen my 5800K build, but at 1080 it allows me to play some games on low/middle settings.
I can play BL2 on high with frames around 30-35. That is on Trinity, sure Richland will provide 2-3 more FPS.
Question for you, why go mATX and not iTX for a HTPC?
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Posted on 6/16/13 at 10:24 am to LSU Coyote
Posted on 6/16/13 at 10:44 am to LSU Coyote
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Question for you, why go mATX and not iTX for a HTPC?
I have room for an mATX hidden in my entertainment center. I have never fooled with an iTX case so tell me if I wanted to crossfire the APU with a 6670 later is there enough room for the vid card? That's the biggest reason I was looking at mATX.
If I could find this case for cheap enough I would consider going this route.
LINK
Posted on 6/16/13 at 10:52 am to tehchampion140
The case won't matter as long as you have USB ports on it and the headset.
If you are looking for a decent mid tower for cheap I like this one more
LINK
If you are looking for a decent mid tower for cheap I like this one more
LINK
Posted on 6/16/13 at 10:59 am to stout
I see that the other case has the ports I need on the front. I'll just stick with that one because it has tons of good reviews and I think it looks more like a badass gaming rig. 
Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:01 am to tehchampion140
The one I linked has USB ports on the front.
Which one? The Rosewill you linked?
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I'll just stick with that one because it has tons of good reviews and I think it looks more like a badass gaming rig.
Which one? The Rosewill you linked?
This post was edited on 6/16/13 at 11:02 am
Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:03 am to stout
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Which one? The Rosewill you linked?
Yeah. It looks like it has 2 USB ports and the mic and headphone jacks I need on the front top of the case.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:04 am to stout
Those apus are pretty cool. You could def go to 720 and crush it which is better than current consoles hahaha
Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:08 am to Mr Gardoki
I just read they have trouble crossfiring sometimes with screen tearing and such. I would only do light gaming on it and HTPC so I may never crossfire anyway.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:10 am to stout
Not surprising for amd honestly. It should be great for your purpose. I want to build one but I don't need it.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:15 am to Mr Gardoki
Noticed my friend's build doesn't include a CPU cooler. Is that because of the fans built in to the case? LINK
Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:15 am to stout
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I have room for an mATX hidden in my entertainment center. I have never fooled with an iTX case so tell me if I wanted to crossfire the APU with a 6670 later is there enough room for the vid card? That's the biggest reason I was looking at mATX.
Unless you have a 6670 lying around I wouldn't consider cfx. I built my brother's htpc/steambox with an a10 apu from last year and a lot of people advised me not to use the cfx as the slim performance improvement is not worth buying 6670 new. instead of spending 60 bucks there, you may want to find a decent used 7870 or 480 and run dedicated with a less expensive cpu. the 6670 has 1/4 the passmark score of the other two. Lets assume you get double the performance cfxing the apu and 6670. that's still half the performance of a dedicated card. If you are already considering a GPU just get a cheaper cpue and a better dedicated gpu.
One thing I will say is that the a10 apu has worked well for light to moderate gaming and does everything my brother needs it to. Again, he doesn't do any crazy computing or heavy gaming and he doesn't really feel like he needs to spend 200 on a dedicated gpu yet. The apu has been a good fit for him but I think you would be better served with a different setup.
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quote:exactly. just understand that if you go apu you need to reign in your graphics expectations.
I just read they have trouble crossfiring sometimes with screen tearing and such. I would only do light gaming on it and HTPC so I may never crossfire anyway.
This post was edited on 6/16/13 at 11:20 am
Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:18 am to tehchampion140
the cpu will have a stock cooler in the box. use it unless you plan on overclocking. cpu coolers are inexpensive, but based on the build you are putting together I don't think it is super necessary for you.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:25 am to puffulufogous
What is overclocking? I hear it a lot but I don't understand it.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:30 am to tehchampion140
basically the performance of your parts depends on the amount of electricity you run to them and and how the software pushes the item. your CPU is rated to run at the advertised speed for the length of the warranty, but you can set the software to push itself further at the cost of stability. To increase stability at these overclocked speeds you can increase the voltage it receives, but that generates more heat which needs to be dissipated with aftermarket cooling. If you don't use aftermarket cooling, temps will run higher which decreases the lifespan of your processor. CPU GPU RAM and monitor can all be overclocked.
ETA a lot of people consider overclocking to be free performance increases as often the manufacturers underrate the clock speeds of their parts. it's a fun process, but you could probably wait until you get more familiar with building before messing with overclocking as you can damage your parts.
ETA a lot of people consider overclocking to be free performance increases as often the manufacturers underrate the clock speeds of their parts. it's a fun process, but you could probably wait until you get more familiar with building before messing with overclocking as you can damage your parts.
This post was edited on 6/16/13 at 11:34 am
Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:33 am to puffulufogous
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One thing I will say is that the a10 apu has worked well for light to moderate gaming and does everything my brother needs it to. Again, he doesn't do any crazy computing or heavy gaming and he doesn't really feel like he needs to spend 200 on a dedicated gpu yet. The apu has been a good fit for him but I think you would be better served with a different setup.
Well if this is the case I will stick with what's in my build list. I already have my main gaming rig for any major gaming I want to do. This is mostly HTPC with the ability to play some simple games from time to time.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:35 am to stout
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Well if this is the case I will stick with what's in my build list. I already have my main gaming rig for any major gaming I want to do. This is mostly HTPC with the ability to play some simple games from time to time.
good call. my brother has only the HTPC/gaming rig at this point so that's why he wants to add a dedicated gpu to make it more of a complete machine.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:39 am to puffulufogous
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ETA a lot of people consider overclocking to be free performance increases as often the manufacturers underrate the clock speeds of their parts. it's a fun process, but you could probably wait until you get more familiar with building before messing with overclocking as you can damage your parts.
Definitely. I'm not messing with anything like that for a while after the build.
I'll be sure to get info from you guys if I ever look into stuff like that, though.Posted on 6/16/13 at 12:08 pm to tehchampion140
yeah just based on your build and how tight money is I wouldn't do it. The build you have will meet your needs at stock. If you overclock then you are taking an inherent risk that it would void your warranty. so even if your OC wasn't the cause of the failure, the manufacturer might not replace it. Probably not a headache you want to deal with ATM. If you get your finances right and want to do some light OCing then it wouldn't take much to get you there.
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