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re: Official Destiny Thread (PS4) Join us in the Vault
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:50 am to TotesMcGotes
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:50 am to TotesMcGotes
They aren't exactly nerfing pulse rifles though.
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:19 am to oR33Do
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They aren't exactly nerfing pulse rifles though.
They most certainly are.
Hawksaw will feel it the most.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:25 am to Mystery
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Pulse Rifles are some of the most adaptive and efficient Primaries right now. The base damage forgives enough thumb skill up close that they can compete with Auto Rifles. The effective range keeps Scout Rifles in check at extended ranges, and the burst cadence forces a grueling pace for even the most adept Hand Cannon users. We like that they’re “having a moment”, but they need a few limitations in their raw utility.
Goals:
Pulse Rifle is optimal at medium range, but can still effectively engage enemies at close or medium-long range
Pulse Rifles should feel strong in PvP, but don’t become the only competitive option
Changes:
Reduce base damage.
Low RoF (The Messenger, Spare Change): 9% base damage reduction
Med RoF (Hawksaw, No Time To Explain, Red Death): 8% base damage reduction
High RoF (Bad Juju): 8% base damage reduction
Highest RoF (Grasp of Marok): 2% base damage reduction
Reduce damage falloff to start between Auto Rifle and Hand Cannon ranges.
A low range Pulse Rifle will have shorter damage falloff than an average Hand Cannon.
A high range Pulse Rifle will have farther damage falloff than an average Hand Cannon.
Increase base damage against AI combatants to 1.3x (was 1.25x).
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:27 am to Mystery
That damage drop off is huge, while 8% does not seem so much it screws the amount of burst for a kill. Especially for the Hawksaw template and it is the low range template so it will falloff more.
This will effect TIME TO KILL.
Stole this from reddit below. Shows how many burst to kill.
This will effect TIME TO KILL.
Stole this from reddit below. Shows how many burst to kill.
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Nirwens Mercy archetype: 3 burst now requires 2 headshots
Hawksaw archetype: 3 burst requires 6 headshots (7 for max armour builds), max armour build could survive 4 burst all non crit.
Spare Change archetype: 2 burst requires 5 headshots on low armour, 6 on everything else. However interestingly Lyudmila would only need 5/8 headshots to hit 198 damage
This post was edited on 12/4/15 at 9:36 am
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:38 am to Mystery
Take that into account with the accuracy cone of Hand Cannons going up. That medium range will be tough to compete with one.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:50 am to Mr Gardoki
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Waiting to see the next op weapon..
They are normally pretty easy to predict. Like I predicted last balance for pulse Rifles and shotguns to be meta.
But this one is tougher. I fully expect Hand Cannons to be good again, maybe great. Shotguns to fall off major.
Last Word, Hawk Moon, MIDA should all be top tier exotics.
You will see more snipers and auto rifles for sure.
If I had to guess, TLW and Sniper will be what the "meta" and most competitive players will use. Those guns both have a strong "skill gap" so bad players will have more trouble using them.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:56 am to Mystery
One other gun I think may be good is the First Curse. Strange perks and will need to be tested.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:03 am to Mystery
You putting in some time this morning, yea?
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:33 am to TotesMcGotes
Bored as the frick. Answer my PSN messages bitch.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:38 am to Mystery
With that kind of hostility?
Pass.
Pass.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:50 am to TotesMcGotes
You're mad at your job not me.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:16 am to Mystery
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Mystery
Where are you finding all those rebalance numbers? I haven't seen those anywhere and that includes Reddit. It's also possible I'm blind.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:31 am to Mystery
I felt like scouts might do well after reading that last update with all the numbers. With mida coming back I'm sure we will see that a lot. I'll be grinding for a 310 mida immediately.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:34 am to Mr Gardoki
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I'll be grinding for a 310 mida immediately.
I lucked out and got a MIDA in my green engram that turned into an exotic when TTK first came out so It will be in the kiosk, thank god.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:38 am to McCaigBro69
I can get a 280,i want 310
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:47 am to McCaigBro69
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Where are you finding all those rebalance numbers? I haven't seen those anywhere and that includes Reddit. It's also possible I'm blind.
The first set of numbers are straight off of the weapon tuning notes from bungie.
Weapon Tuning
The 2nd is just a poster on reddit
Pulse rifle update burst to kill
It is in the crucible reddit section, which is the only reddit I go to. Need to keep up with what the best guns are, and guys do crazy research and numbers there.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:50 am to McCaigBro69
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I haven't seen those anywhere and that includes Reddit.
You don't do much PVP, so you probably just don't go into the crucible section of reddit.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:52 am to Mr Gardoki
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I felt like scouts might do well after reading that last update with all the numbers. With mida coming back I'm sure we will see that a lot. I'll be grinding for a 310 mida immediately.
Scouts will be really good primaries. The problem I always have with them is... if I am that far away why not just snipe? But MIDA is another story, that gun has always been amazing and can't wait for it to come back. Strafe shooting with it is great.
MIDA with a Sidearm will be so fun to play with and the movement speed will be really good.
Edit: just a note, when I am talking about all this stuff I am relating it to PVP. Pulses will still be good in PVE as they get a PVE buff to compensate.
This post was edited on 12/4/15 at 11:54 am
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:45 pm to Mystery
I need to try mida in pvp. Will nirwens still be good in pvp?
Posted on 12/4/15 at 1:03 pm to Mr Gardoki
It will be good but not as good. The time to kill is dropping.
Last word will make a dramatic return.
Last word will make a dramatic return.
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