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re: Mike Tyson's Punchout: An absolutely incredible game
Posted on 12/19/13 at 12:18 pm to CBandits82
Posted on 12/19/13 at 12:18 pm to CBandits82
Could never get past super macho man 
Posted on 12/19/13 at 12:28 pm to bigpetedatiga
What an awesome NES game!! I loved it. Beating Tyson was a big accomplishment. He didn't leave you much room for error, thats for sure. I always thought that the Sandman was tougher than Super Macho Man myself.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 8:30 pm to Das Jackal
I never owned it, but borrowed from friends enough to get pretty good at it. I got to where I could go all the way through from the beginning...but damn that was so long ago. I look on eBay every so often for a copy, but they always go for more $ than I care to spend.
Posted on 12/19/13 at 8:31 pm to gjackx
Anyone ever play the version without Tyson? What is that one like?
Posted on 12/19/13 at 8:52 pm to gjackx
Exactly the same, just a palette swap on Tyson
Posted on 12/19/13 at 9:05 pm to Broseph Barksdale
That game was racist
This post was edited on 12/19/13 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 12/19/13 at 9:11 pm to CBandits82
Had it for Nintendo and have it on the WII.
Never could beat Tyson and now I find it hard to get close to Tyson on the WII, must be my slower reflexes.
Hippo
Never could beat Tyson and now I find it hard to get close to Tyson on the WII, must be my slower reflexes.
Hippo
Posted on 12/19/13 at 9:16 pm to bulldog95
Today, the Nintendo company is widely considered to be more family friendly than the other major video game companies. However, a critical look at the 1987 game "Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!" shows that Nintendo did not always shy away from using racial stereotypes.
The protagonist of "Punch-Out!!" is Little Mac, who himself is not a stereotype. However, most of his opponents clearly are. Let's run down these characters in the order that they appear.
Glass Joe (France):
Little Mac's first opponent embodies the American stereotype of the weak and cowardly Frenchman. Glass Joe's record is a pathetic 1-99, and between rounds he expresses his cowardice with statements like "Watch the jaw! Don't hit my jaw!" Even his name, which sounds like "glass jaw," expresses his ineptitude at fighting.
Von Kaiser (German):
Von Kaiser is a strange stereotype, but a stereotype nonetheless. Nintendo depicts him as a typical World War I soldier set on German dominance of the world. Between rounds, his quips include "Surrender! Or I Will conquer you!" and "I was a boxing teacher . . . at the military academy!" all while wearing World War I era German headgear.
Piston Honda (Japan):
The very name "Piston Honda" perhaps hints at the Japanese dominance of the American market in the 1980s ("Honda" being the auto manufacturer, "Piston" being the engine component). To make it clear that he is Japanese, Nintendo has him spew nonsense like "Sushi, Kamikaze, Fujiyama, Nipponichi."
Don Flamenco (Spain):
Nintendo uses Don Flamenco to embody the "vain Spaniard" stereotype. Flamenco is obsessed with his appearance, boasting "I'm a beautiful fighter. I have such a style!" There are many other reminders that he is Spanish, like the rose in his teeth (a bullfighting reference), and his last name (for the Spanish dance style).
King Hippo (Hippo Island, South Pacific):
This is the only character in the game to be from a fictional country, however, he is still a racial stereotype. His morbid obesity and South Pacific heritage are sure to remind the American gamer of the obesity problem prevalent in Samoa.
Great Tiger (India):
Great Tiger has magical powers that Americans would associate with the stereotypes of Indian mysticism. He wears a Sikh-style turban with a glowing jewel, and uses the before mentioned magical powers to move clockwise around the ring at a superhuman pace.
Bald Bull (Turkey):
Bald Bull is the first opponent in "Punch-Out!!" who doesn't clearly depict a racial stereotype.
Soda Popinski (USSR):
People of a certain age will remember from the "Punch-Out!!" arcade game that Soda Popinski was once called Vodka Drunkenski, playing on the negative image that all Russians (then Soviets) were drunks. He frequently references a drinking addiction between rounds, saying "I can't drive, so I'm gonna walk all over you!" However, he never explicitly mentions alcohol in the NES version. Also, he has a pinkish or reddish tone to his skin, a reminder of when Soviets were derogatorily called "reds" or "pinkos."
Mr. Sandman (Philadelphia, USA)
Mr. Sandman is less of a stereotype than most of the characters, but it could be argued that he resembles the ultra-tough, Philadelphia-style fighter.
Super Macho Man (Hollywood, USA)
For the stereotypical vapid, bodybuilding surfer, just look for Super Macho Man. He is obsessed with muscle, and he flexes his pecks whenever he can. He displays a limited intellect with observations like "My body is just so totally cool!"
Mike Tyson (Catskill, USA)
As a real person, whether he is a stereotype or not is up to individual judgement.
So there you have it! Who would have thought a kid's game from wholesome Nintendo would have so many racial stereotypes?
The protagonist of "Punch-Out!!" is Little Mac, who himself is not a stereotype. However, most of his opponents clearly are. Let's run down these characters in the order that they appear.
Glass Joe (France):
Little Mac's first opponent embodies the American stereotype of the weak and cowardly Frenchman. Glass Joe's record is a pathetic 1-99, and between rounds he expresses his cowardice with statements like "Watch the jaw! Don't hit my jaw!" Even his name, which sounds like "glass jaw," expresses his ineptitude at fighting.
Von Kaiser (German):
Von Kaiser is a strange stereotype, but a stereotype nonetheless. Nintendo depicts him as a typical World War I soldier set on German dominance of the world. Between rounds, his quips include "Surrender! Or I Will conquer you!" and "I was a boxing teacher . . . at the military academy!" all while wearing World War I era German headgear.
Piston Honda (Japan):
The very name "Piston Honda" perhaps hints at the Japanese dominance of the American market in the 1980s ("Honda" being the auto manufacturer, "Piston" being the engine component). To make it clear that he is Japanese, Nintendo has him spew nonsense like "Sushi, Kamikaze, Fujiyama, Nipponichi."
Don Flamenco (Spain):
Nintendo uses Don Flamenco to embody the "vain Spaniard" stereotype. Flamenco is obsessed with his appearance, boasting "I'm a beautiful fighter. I have such a style!" There are many other reminders that he is Spanish, like the rose in his teeth (a bullfighting reference), and his last name (for the Spanish dance style).
King Hippo (Hippo Island, South Pacific):
This is the only character in the game to be from a fictional country, however, he is still a racial stereotype. His morbid obesity and South Pacific heritage are sure to remind the American gamer of the obesity problem prevalent in Samoa.
Great Tiger (India):
Great Tiger has magical powers that Americans would associate with the stereotypes of Indian mysticism. He wears a Sikh-style turban with a glowing jewel, and uses the before mentioned magical powers to move clockwise around the ring at a superhuman pace.
Bald Bull (Turkey):
Bald Bull is the first opponent in "Punch-Out!!" who doesn't clearly depict a racial stereotype.
Soda Popinski (USSR):
People of a certain age will remember from the "Punch-Out!!" arcade game that Soda Popinski was once called Vodka Drunkenski, playing on the negative image that all Russians (then Soviets) were drunks. He frequently references a drinking addiction between rounds, saying "I can't drive, so I'm gonna walk all over you!" However, he never explicitly mentions alcohol in the NES version. Also, he has a pinkish or reddish tone to his skin, a reminder of when Soviets were derogatorily called "reds" or "pinkos."
Mr. Sandman (Philadelphia, USA)
Mr. Sandman is less of a stereotype than most of the characters, but it could be argued that he resembles the ultra-tough, Philadelphia-style fighter.
Super Macho Man (Hollywood, USA)
For the stereotypical vapid, bodybuilding surfer, just look for Super Macho Man. He is obsessed with muscle, and he flexes his pecks whenever he can. He displays a limited intellect with observations like "My body is just so totally cool!"
Mike Tyson (Catskill, USA)
As a real person, whether he is a stereotype or not is up to individual judgement.
So there you have it! Who would have thought a kid's game from wholesome Nintendo would have so many racial stereotypes?
Posted on 12/19/13 at 10:29 pm to bulldog95
I could beat Mike but have never beaten Super Macho Man. I have it on the Wii and played it just the other day. I can basically make it through the first Bald Bull beating everyone in the first round. After that it gets tough. Rarely make it past Mr. Sandman nowadays, though.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 9:57 am to Dale Murphy
does anyone else remember the actual arcade game where you were just a guy made up of like hulk hair and matrix grids?
in the arcade game, soda popinski's name was vodka drunkinski i think.
as far as nes, once i could beat tyson i actually found beating sandman tougher. dunno why. the first time i beat tyson, i was on top of the world.
in the arcade game, soda popinski's name was vodka drunkinski i think.
as far as nes, once i could beat tyson i actually found beating sandman tougher. dunno why. the first time i beat tyson, i was on top of the world.
This post was edited on 12/20/13 at 9:58 am
Posted on 12/20/13 at 10:06 am to TDTGodfather
quote:
does anyone else remember the actual arcade game where you were just a guy made up of like hulk hair and matrix grids?
I remember beating that game on the first shot with one credit.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 10:07 am to TDTGodfather
quote:
he first time i beat tyson, i was on top of the world.
Not many got to experience this my friend, in my opinion it is one of the pinnacles of gaming.
The ultimate trophy if you will.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 10:51 am to Broseph Barksdale
quote:
Exactly the same, just a palette swap on Tyson
So this guy?
Posted on 12/20/13 at 10:52 am to TDTGodfather
quote:
as far as nes, once i could beat tyson i actually found beating sandman tougher.
WOW, I can totally relate to this!
quote:
soda popinski's name was vodka drunkinski i think.
Oh yeah!!
Posted on 12/20/13 at 2:01 pm to gjackx
I still play the game. Sandman is harder than SMM IMO. Tyson is beatable but you have to be nearly flawless. Didn't beat him till I was older.
Tyson v Mr Dream
Tyson v Mr Dream
This post was edited on 12/20/13 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 12/20/13 at 2:52 pm to Jackie Chan
I'm in the "Sandman is tougher" crowd. Last time I played the game was last year. He absolutely gives me fits with his right hook. You have to react to him, can't attempt to anticipate his punches.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 2:59 pm to Goldrush25
quote:Count me in there too. Isn't he the only fighter you *have* to use a super punch on to knock down? I haven't played it in a while, but I thought I remembered that. I thought you also had to alternate between head shots and body blows on him to do any significant damage.
I'm in the "Sandman is tougher" crowd.
ETA: I looked it up and I was wrong about having to use a star punch on him. He is one of the few fighters that can dodge star punches, though.
This post was edited on 12/20/13 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 12/20/13 at 3:00 pm to Goldrush25
Sandman is really tough, I would say he is tougher than SMM.
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