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Is Level 5 the most overrated developer?

Posted on 4/28/22 at 8:55 am
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/28/22 at 8:55 am
I am playing through Ni No Kuni Remastered, and doing so made me recall that while the visuals are absolutely beautiful and the music is fantastic, the combat is just awful.

It's like they found the worst of both real time and turn-based combat and combined it together. Party member AI is dull as dish soap. Plus the familiar system feels really tacked on.

Then I go back through and that think that maybe, with the possible exception of the Dark Cloud games (and White Knight Chronicles for a totally different reason), that has always been the story with Level 5 -- great visual presentation and music but awful gameplay.

Ni No Kuni 2 gave us a Tales-like combat system, but they overcorrected the problems with the first game to where the entire game is so easy, you could almost play it blindfolded.

I distinctly remember Rogue Galaxy being another game that had the bones of a Tales and/or Star Ocean-like combat system but it basically boiled down to spamming the the same room clearing move over and over again for 90% of the encounters in the game.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
22388 posts
Posted on 4/28/22 at 11:17 am to
It's always surprised me how much people hate the combat system in Ni No Kuni 1. I love it and hated that the second game moved away from that system. In my opinion all Level 5 needed to do for the 2nd game was improve the AI and keep everything else the same. On the flip side if the 2nd game hadn't been so easy it would've been great too even though I preferred the combat in the first game because everything else about that game was very good.
Posted by ElRoos
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 4/28/22 at 1:18 pm to
They are definitely not the most overrated game developer. That honor would go to GameFreak, Ubisoft or Bethesda most likely. I'm not even sure most gamers could list off a bunch of Level-5 developed games, so by that notion it's not really "overrated". Personally, I've liked every Level-5 game I've played, granted I haven't played many of them. The list includes:

-Dark Cloud
-Dragon Quest VIII
-Dragon Quest IX
-Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch (prob my 2nd favorite PS3-era JRPG only behind Tales of Xillia)
-Yo-kai Watch

Still need to play Rogue Galaxy, Dark Cloud 2, and Professor Layton series.
Posted by MaroonMonsoon
Canton
Member since Aug 2014
3875 posts
Posted on 4/28/22 at 2:15 pm to
Never heard of it
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
15581 posts
Posted on 4/28/22 at 3:34 pm to
No that distinction goes to Naughty Dog
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
67357 posts
Posted on 4/28/22 at 3:48 pm to
who?
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
9960 posts
Posted on 5/1/22 at 11:13 am to
quote:

They are definitely not the most overrated game developer. That honor would go to GameFreak, Ubisoft or Bethesda most likely. I'm not even sure most gamers could list off a bunch of Level-5 developed games, so by that notion it's not really "overrated". Personally, I've liked every Level-5 game I've played, granted I haven't played many of them. The list includes:

-Dark Cloud
-Dragon Quest VIII
-Dragon Quest IX
-Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch (prob my 2nd favorite PS3-era JRPG only behind Tales of Xillia)
-Yo-kai Watch

Still need to play Rogue Galaxy, Dark Cloud 2, and Professor Layton series.


See, I want to really like this game, but I'm finding everything outside of the music, visuals, and plot to be absolutely awful. It would be a 10/10 masterpiece of a game if it was developed by a competent JRPG studio, but I can't rate it any higher than a 7.

Huge difficulty spikes between point A to point B.
Awful party member AI that dies every single fight in the late game.
Clunky, Unresponsive pseudo-real time turn based combat

They counter this with Ni No Kuni 2 where they turn the combat into Dynasty Warriors, proving that, beyond making games with a good visual style, they have no idea how to actual develop good game mechanics.

Rogue Galaxy is good, but a lot of the problems with Ni No Kuni are present there as well - unbalanced difficulty, broken combat.
This post was edited on 5/1/22 at 11:16 am
Posted by saintsfan92612
Taiwan
Member since Oct 2008
29533 posts
Posted on 5/2/22 at 1:51 pm to
oh man, I really enjoyed Dark Cloud back in the day. The mix of city building and adventuring was so unique at the time.
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
40356 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 6:31 pm to
I play a lot of games and have never heard of them so I'm not sure of the most overrated moniker.

Furthermore, I watch a lot of streaming and game review folks on youtube and I've never heard of them.
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 6:33 pm
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