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re: Final Fantasy XV Thread
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:13 pm to CornDogCologne
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:13 pm to CornDogCologne
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I am willing to concede that this series likely just isn't for me anymore.
I'm just going along with it lol.
I'm 26 and know pretty much what you mean. Maybe I'm just holding on too tightly.
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:16 pm to CornDogCologne
quote:I prefer the nes, snes, and ps1 style of FF which is more like a play...10 is my favorite and it's a complete departure in many ways from previous installments
I am willing to concede that this series likely just isn't for me anymore.
i'm willing for it to change, this game is a positive step, but it may actually be a step back from xiii in terms of delivering basic information about the story...even though the story here is better.
I may be done with it though, by the time they release a new single player entry, i'll be too old and have kids and shite
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:18 pm to DelU249
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I may be done with it though, by the time they release a new single player entry, i'll be too old and have kids and shite
frick that.
Just don't get married.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:18 pm to McCaigBro69
quote:jeezums, so you were around 11 when 10 was released...I guess it depends on what final fantasy is to you
I'm 26
I imagine most people your age missed out on the nes, snes and ps1 games
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:19 pm to McCaigBro69
too late for that. i'm 32...I could be 40 when they release the next one.
final fantasy vii is already great, so I have zero interest in a remake or reimagining. I won't play an online version, and unless it gets insane reviews, I won't play a sequel to xv
final fantasy vii is already great, so I have zero interest in a remake or reimagining. I won't play an online version, and unless it gets insane reviews, I won't play a sequel to xv
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:22 pm to DelU249
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jeezums, so you were around 11 when 10 was released
Lol yeah, I was fortunate to have an older cousin that I grew up with though who was several years older than I was have all of the older systems and games. I grew up with my parents just buying his older stuff and giving it to me.
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I imagine most people your age missed out on the nes, snes and ps1 games
I had all of the systems and played the early games, but it was further down the road from when they were 'new'.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:26 pm to DelU249
I'm turning 33 in December. My fav FFs are 6,7, 9, ... And 15
I think they hit great strides since 13. I LOVE the main cast and the interaction between them. I really feel like they are my buddies and they cater for each other. Its a lot like Lost or GoT. The overall plot it's okay.. But the characters make the series. I think this one had bailed
I think they hit great strides since 13. I LOVE the main cast and the interaction between them. I really feel like they are my buddies and they cater for each other. Its a lot like Lost or GoT. The overall plot it's okay.. But the characters make the series. I think this one had bailed
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:29 pm to McCaigBro69
X and XII are the most unique. XIII tried to replicate the experience of X but failed miserably
At the time X was a complete departure for the series as was XII which didn't get a lot of attention and wasn't marketed properly
The series made the jump to 3D perfectly. Ps2 had higher capability and they nailed the jump to that system and found a new winning formula and then perplexingly threw it to the wayside fo XII which is a good not great game and then they couldn't replicate the magic of X when they went back to that format.
12 is a good game but it's where they lost their way. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
At the time X was a complete departure for the series as was XII which didn't get a lot of attention and wasn't marketed properly
The series made the jump to 3D perfectly. Ps2 had higher capability and they nailed the jump to that system and found a new winning formula and then perplexingly threw it to the wayside fo XII which is a good not great game and then they couldn't replicate the magic of X when they went back to that format.
12 is a good game but it's where they lost their way. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:31 pm to CornDogCologne
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I just don't think you can design games that way anymore. Too expensive with modern graphics expectations and having to pay out for voice acting talent.
You lose something in the process.
That's why this final fantasy vii remake will be interesting to see.
I am willing to concede that this series likely just isn't for me anymore.
The way I feel.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:33 pm to DelU249
I'm turning 33 in December. My fav FFs are 6,7, 9, ... And 15
I think they hit great strides since 13. I LOVE the main cast and the interaction between them. I really feel like they are my buddies and they care for each other. Its a lot like Lost or GoT. The overall plot it's okay.. But the characters make the series. I think this one had nailed comraderie between a bunch of guys.
The other thing I see OG FF fans complaining about is the battle system. I think that's also a strong part of this game. It feels really great fighting in this game once it all clicks.
The days of Turn Based is over. The only reason those old games were turn based anyway was likely a limiting design choice on the hardware of the time. I love how smooth the battles are and I think selecting commands and waiting for the sequence is archaic in 2016. Sure, Persona might be a good game but that is still a dated mechanic. I applaud square moving forward and not caving in because all these people want a 30 year old battle system that originated on the NES.
I guess I fall in that rare category as an original fan of FF that still loves the old games and enjoys 15 and thinks it's a great feat.
I am super excited for 7 remake bc it's one of my all time favorite games and it is going to be awesome
I think they hit great strides since 13. I LOVE the main cast and the interaction between them. I really feel like they are my buddies and they care for each other. Its a lot like Lost or GoT. The overall plot it's okay.. But the characters make the series. I think this one had nailed comraderie between a bunch of guys.
The other thing I see OG FF fans complaining about is the battle system. I think that's also a strong part of this game. It feels really great fighting in this game once it all clicks.
The days of Turn Based is over. The only reason those old games were turn based anyway was likely a limiting design choice on the hardware of the time. I love how smooth the battles are and I think selecting commands and waiting for the sequence is archaic in 2016. Sure, Persona might be a good game but that is still a dated mechanic. I applaud square moving forward and not caving in because all these people want a 30 year old battle system that originated on the NES.
I guess I fall in that rare category as an original fan of FF that still loves the old games and enjoys 15 and thinks it's a great feat.
I am super excited for 7 remake bc it's one of my all time favorite games and it is going to be awesome
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:35 pm to musick
quote:this is their first release since then
hit great strides since 13
they really fricked up trying their hand at mmorpg type stuff. i'm sure the games are good, I wouldn't know, but I guess they were trying to do the whole world of Warcraft thing. there was just too much time between x and xii...which again, almost went unnoticed...so basically, the gap of games is between x and xiii...people who grew up on FF lost interest in the series...and those who came back to it to play xiii were sitting there thinking "WTF is this shite" as they played it.
a series like final fantasy needs an identity and they no longer have one...but it seems they're on their way to finding one with this game...but if this is what to expect going forward, this is my last rodeo
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:42 pm to McCaigBro69
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The majority of original FF players will always say this and unfortunately I don't think the majority of you guys (myself included, I played I-V, VII) are open to an evolution of the series. That's one of the reasons why I stopped playing, because everyone just bitched non-stop every time a new one came out.
I think it's stubbornness to move on more than anything.
Nah.. 13 was bad and 15 while not bad is not up to the FF standard. And that is not being stubborn, and that is also not a fact just my opinion but reviews tend to agree.
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I mean it's just like the Michael Jordan versus Lebron debate. People around when Jordan was playing will always say he is the GOAT because he was the original. Original FF players who always say it can't get better than what it was.
Well because Jordan is the GOAT. Lebron made large strides with his Final performance last year. I could say the same thing about people my age, they tend to love Lebron because they grew up with him and did not watch MJ play.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:46 pm to musick
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The days of Turn Based is over. The only reason those old games were turn based anyway was likely a limiting design choice on the hardware of the time. I love how smooth the battles are and I think selecting commands and waiting for the sequence is archaic in 2016. Sure, Persona might be a good game but that is still a dated mechanic.
I have seen you point out this a number of times over the months and it was never about hardware limitations. There have been action role playing games out forever on large scales.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 12/6/16 at 12:49 pm to musick
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The days of Turn Based is over. The only reason those old games were turn based anyway was likely a limiting design choice on the hardware of the time. I love how smooth the battles are and I think selecting commands and waiting for the sequence is archaic in 2016. Sure, Persona might be a good game but that is still a dated mechanic. I applaud square moving forward and not caving in because all these people want a 30 year old battle system that originated on the NES.
2d side scrollers are out of date too. Should those stop being made? Yes turn based is some what of a choice based on limitations although it also has influence from D&D. Fact is that combat is popular and a lot of people like it.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 1:15 pm to Mr Gardoki
turn based combat isn't outdated like side scrolling action is
shite, ffx and devil may cry were released around the same time. it's not a product of limitations but rather something that has appeal for those who like strategy before, and during combat.
I have no problem with the action combat in FFXV BTW. this game does more right than wrong. I think it is engaging and fun, but it's not refined like you see in the Arkham series and it's mostly a button mashing experience which makes the ascension grid kind of whatever for me. I also liked the sphere grid better because it made your choices more consequential as it cost points to move not to unlock.
shite, ffx and devil may cry were released around the same time. it's not a product of limitations but rather something that has appeal for those who like strategy before, and during combat.
I have no problem with the action combat in FFXV BTW. this game does more right than wrong. I think it is engaging and fun, but it's not refined like you see in the Arkham series and it's mostly a button mashing experience which makes the ascension grid kind of whatever for me. I also liked the sphere grid better because it made your choices more consequential as it cost points to move not to unlock.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 1:17 pm to Mr Gardoki
I think the way that Square probably sees it is that, yes, the older fanbase would prefer turnbased. But most of those people will (and have) buy the game regardless. The turn based doesn't appear to the mass-casual crowd, and those people wouldn't buy it, but they bought this game. Between the name FF and the up-to-date combat they're able to capture the largest audience.
It'll only work as long as classic fans will continue to put up with the departure from what made the series great.
It'll only work as long as classic fans will continue to put up with the departure from what made the series great.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 1:18 pm to Mr Gardoki
They can still make 2d side scrollers and some are okay at best. But their golden age is long gone
Posted on 12/6/16 at 1:24 pm to Mystery
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I have seen you point out this a number of times over the months and it was never about hardware limitations. There have been action role playing games out forever on large scales.
You couldn't have multi character party systems with huge overworld and underworlds with combat that included magic, summons, and techs, and have airships, etc with real time combat. They had to compromise and turn based is how they fit all that on the hardware of the time.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 1:25 pm to musick
turn based combat isn't a byproduct of limitation. 2d side scrollers were
ff has already refined turn based, but if they could refine what they have here in 15, it would be just as good. combat would be more thrilling and level grinding would become enjoyable
the combat in xv is not refined though. but if they improve on it, damn...it could be amazing.
ff has already refined turn based, but if they could refine what they have here in 15, it would be just as good. combat would be more thrilling and level grinding would become enjoyable
the combat in xv is not refined though. but if they improve on it, damn...it could be amazing.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 1:26 pm to DelU249
The sphere grid costed points to move but the correct spheres to unlock. It's not much different
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