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re: Does the new NIL deal potentially move up the release date for NCAA football?
Posted on 7/9/21 at 3:51 pm to MintBerry Crunch
Posted on 7/9/21 at 3:51 pm to MintBerry Crunch
I can imagine some scenarios like the Tecmo Super Bowl days.
Players who would agree to terms would have their name, likenesses, etc in the game.
Players who wouldn’t agree to terms would be named like “QB Clemson 1” or “RB Georgia 1” with random faces, heights, weights, etc.
Players who would agree to terms would have their name, likenesses, etc in the game.
Players who wouldn’t agree to terms would be named like “QB Clemson 1” or “RB Georgia 1” with random faces, heights, weights, etc.
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Posted on 7/9/21 at 5:24 pm to Kegg
It's going to be a pay fest
EA is already a pay to win scumbag, now they will load up the loot box shite.
Want you favorite school logo, $25 gets you the team logo and colors. It's coming, and it's going to be disgusting.
EA is already a pay to win scumbag, now they will load up the loot box shite.
Want you favorite school logo, $25 gets you the team logo and colors. It's coming, and it's going to be disgusting.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 8:36 pm to stlslick
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It's going to be a pay fest
EA is already a pay to win scumbag, now they will load up the loot box shite.
Want you favorite school logo, $25 gets you the team logo and colors. It's coming, and it's going to be disgusting.
You're probably right. In order to get your actual favorite team you'll have to pay to purchase your players, and then EA pays the players from that.
If that's how it ends up being, then this game won't be worth purchasing.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 1:59 pm to imjustafatkid
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You're probably right. In order to get your actual favorite team you'll have to pay to purchase your players, and then EA pays the players from that.
If that's how it ends up being, then this game won't be worth purchasing.
I don't think EA even has the capabilities of getting actual likeness of each player.
You're talking about doing 85 face scans at 120+ schools? That's just physically impossible, especially since you really only have the entire roster on campus about 2 months before the first game.
I think the most likely outcome is the complete random generation of all players, and have people make their own rosters.
Then having former players be cover athletes, like they used to do.
To be honest that's all they fricking had to do in the first place. OR if they would have just paid the guys from the classic teams they put in like NCAA basketball 08 (Ed O'bannon), we would still have these games. They'll probably give each player a copy of the game for free, at most, and pay the schools for licensing rights.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 4:29 pm to PP7 for heisman
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You're talking about doing 85 face scans at 120+ schools? That's just physically impossible, especially since you really only have the entire roster on campus about 2 months before the first game.
I don't think we're just talking about faces here. Prothro mentioned in the Ed O'Bannon case it was clear the receiver on the field in EA Games was him partly due to how the receiver wore his ankle braces.
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Prothro's likeness was used by video game maker Electronic Arts for three years, the suit says. The 2006 game had an Alabama player with the same number, body size, skin color and closely-cropped hair as Prothro, and the 2005 version included his "distinctive black ankle braces," the suit says.
ETA: I'm not sure how they make a game without clearing this hurdle. Even inadvertently hitting on a player's likeness could result in a costly lawsuit that they can't win. They're going to have to come to some sort of deal with every player in the game, every year, and as mentioned before that will be a massive expense even if they're just giving each of them a free copy of the game.
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 7/11/21 at 5:10 pm to imjustafatkid
Well that stuff can be easily done by programmers. Height, Weight, birth place, accessories. You could probably get a team of guys to complete that for every player in the country in a day.
You can get around using that sort of likeness by just randomizing every player.
I was referring to their actual likeness, like face scans you see in madden or 2K.
I believe they would win this lawsuit. All they would have to show is that they used a random generator that did whatever they were accused of doing (skin color, position, home town, heigh, weight, accessories.) Lack of intent is a defense that would let them win any of those sort of cases.
You can get around using that sort of likeness by just randomizing every player.
I was referring to their actual likeness, like face scans you see in madden or 2K.
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Even inadvertently hitting on a player's likeness could result in a costly lawsuit that they can't win.
I believe they would win this lawsuit. All they would have to show is that they used a random generator that did whatever they were accused of doing (skin color, position, home town, heigh, weight, accessories.) Lack of intent is a defense that would let them win any of those sort of cases.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 5:48 pm to PP7 for heisman
I guess I can see that, and I hope you're right that they would win that lawsuit, but I think if they're just randomizing everything then they're getting into a game people might not want. I want to play with Bama's 2020 roster, not some randomized team in Bama gear.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 9:04 pm to imjustafatkid
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but I think if they're just randomizing everything then they're getting into a game people might not want. I want to play with Bama's 2020 roster, not some randomized team in Bama gear.
That's what operation sports guys are for
They've been making the custom rosters for about 15 years now. I bet within a week or two of release, you'd have full rosters, with names, height, weight, accessories, everything, completely finished and available for download.
If you have a copy of NCAA 14 (and i think even some older ones), they still make the complete rosters over there and put their gamertag up for anyone to download - free of charge.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 11:06 pm to PP7 for heisman
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OBVIOUSLY these guys aren't going to get the money NFL players get,
So with those numbers you quoted, 500 or so practice squad players and 1,696 active roster players, Madden spent a little less than $30 million on players likeness.
There are 85 football scholarships and 129 FBS schools. Let’s say you only want to pay players half what the NFL guys get. $15 million divided by 11,000 players is still over $1,300 per player.
Just offer them a grand each for being in the game. If they don’t sign they don’t get the money and they will have a guy with their number, different height/weight and opposite skin color put in their place. I bet 90%+ sign it, the game is accurate right out of the box (or out of the first download), and EA still makes plenty of $ on the game.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 5:15 pm to stlslick
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It's going to be a pay fest
EA is already a pay to win scumbag, now they will load up the loot box shite.
Want you favorite school logo, $25 gets you the team logo and colors. It's coming, and it's going to be disgusting.
Lol
Posted on 7/12/21 at 5:43 pm to YipSkiddlyDooo
They won’t get $15 million. Nowhere near it. They may get $100 per player which is roughly $1.2 million. NCAA isn’t the revenue generator that Madden is.
They’ll have to add optional things like uniform packs and maybe historical stadium packs to the game just to make ends meet on the game.
They’ll have to add optional things like uniform packs and maybe historical stadium packs to the game just to make ends meet on the game.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 7:39 pm to imjustafatkid
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I'm not sure how they make a game without clearing this hurdle.
Didn't they mention the reason they were bringing the game back was because they were anticipating NIL to roll out soon? I'm sure they have a plan for it.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:19 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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They won’t get $15 million. Nowhere near it. They may get $100 per player which is roughly $1.2 million. NCAA isn’t the revenue generator that Madden is.
The last time both released games, NCAA sold around 1.5 million copies and Madden sold between 4-5 million. So don’t give them half, you’re right that’s too much, but you could give them more than $100 each and still be profitable.
Regardless, the solution is easy. You give the players some amount of money to be in the game. Nearly all of them will take the money, if they don’t the game still gets made and they aren’t in it. As a former player I would have taken any amount they gave me, though our roster wasn’t as accurate as the bigger programs from a skin color/height/weight standpoint.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 12:29 am to YipSkiddlyDooo
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The last time both released games, NCAA sold around 1.5 million copies and Madden sold between 4-5 million. So don’t give them half, you’re right that’s too much, but you could give them more than $100 each and still be profitable.
Sold around a million and that’s because there was real talk that it would be the last one. The problem with gaming now is Gen Z. They have no attention span for games and the ones they do pay attention to, it’s not ones they actually buy and play, they just sit around watching others play and NCAA doesn’t really lend itself to that.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 2:55 pm to Shackleville
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Their best bet is make random players and then allow someone to make rosters.
This prevents having to pay the players shite.
This worked so well the first time.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:22 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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Sold around a million and that’s because there was real talk that it would be the last one. The problem with gaming now is Gen Z. They have no attention span for games and the ones they do pay attention to, it’s not ones they actually buy and play, they just sit around watching others play and NCAA doesn’t really lend itself to that.
I have no doubt that the first one would do well. Maybe even the first couple. But eventually it will get back to the sales levels it had before they stopped creating new ones, and then some interesting decisions would have to be made.
This post was edited on 7/13/21 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:38 pm to imjustafatkid
If they could find some college version of Ultimate Team, it would be a gold mine. Not only could they put in last award winners/All-Americans, but do something with historic teams too - ‘01 Miami, 95 Nebraska, and so - that could be a gold mine.
One thing they should do, that I won’t mind, and actually may appreciate it, is if they put real companies as the sponsors on stadium banners in each stadium. It’s annoying to me to play with a real team and see some fake generic cola drink or car insurance company listed, particularly if I can see the video board as well.
I’m sure they can get a beverage company, a car company, some insurance company, and another couple of companies to throw some cheddar to have their logos in every stadium in the game. Won’t negatively impact anyone’s gaming experience and will help boost their revenue to keep the game around.
One thing they should do, that I won’t mind, and actually may appreciate it, is if they put real companies as the sponsors on stadium banners in each stadium. It’s annoying to me to play with a real team and see some fake generic cola drink or car insurance company listed, particularly if I can see the video board as well.
I’m sure they can get a beverage company, a car company, some insurance company, and another couple of companies to throw some cheddar to have their logos in every stadium in the game. Won’t negatively impact anyone’s gaming experience and will help boost their revenue to keep the game around.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 10:39 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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to throw some cheddar to have their logos in every stadium in the game.
Conflict of interest. Think LSU and Canes will let Zaxby’s be on tiger stadium? I think not
Posted on 7/15/21 at 11:58 pm to MintBerry Crunch
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Conflict of interest. Think LSU and Canes will let Zaxby’s be on tiger stadium? I think not
They’ll get national sponsors. And not much LSU can say about it.
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