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re: Anonymous Xbox engineer explains DRM and Microsoft's Xbox One intentions
Posted on 6/14/13 at 10:59 am to Finn
Posted on 6/14/13 at 10:59 am to Finn
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If Microsoft wants to push the download games, then why don't they just offer lower prices on new games now. If I can download a new game for 49.99 as opposed to buying the disk for 59.99 I would consider downloading the game
Who says they won't with the One?
They have zero incentive to lower digital pricing on the 360 this late in its life cycle.
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Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:04 am to Broke
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Forgive me if I don't take what they say as Gospel. That they might move the industry towards digital and still have $60 games. At that point all of the resellers are bankrupt and we are really fricked.
thats how i feel, they could control the market and set what ever price they want. keep the 60 dollar games and cut the middle man out keeping more money for themselves.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:07 am to StraightCashHomey21
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thats how i feel, they could control the market and set what ever price they want. keep the 60 dollar games and cut the middle man out keeping more money for themselves.
Or everyone would just switch to PC and PS4. It's really not hard to see why this line of thinking is a bit ignorant.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:08 am to stout
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They have zero incentive to lower digital pricing on the 360 this late in its life cycle.
They have PLENTY of incentive. How about encouraging current XBox customers to get comfortable with the idea of digital downloads for example??
How about for good customer relations?
How about because they have in a very real way admitted that part of the cost of a retail video game is the built in loss for used game sales and such and it doesn't take much thought to figure out that doesn't apply to digital downloads on the 360 anymore than it would apply to digital downloads on the XBOne?
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:10 am to stout
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Or everyone would just switch to PC and PS4. It's really not hard to see why this line of thinking is a bit ignorant.
as long as MS leaves everyone with a choice in their gaming im all good with it, just like today with me getting The Last of US me having multiple ways to get the game worked out for me
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 11:11 am
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:16 am to BTHog
Why when they have no idea how many of those customers they will lose to PS4? There is attrition on both consoles every time a new gen releases.
So MS should lose money on customers that are leaving anyway for good faith and to get them used to digital?
Also, the 360 will still be around after the One drops. They have said for at least 4 years actually. Why set that precedence too early and lose money on a product you are going to still support and make games for?
You think they are in this to lose as much money as possible?
It would also remove some incentive for people to be early adopters of the next Xbox.
The publisher has a lot of say in what they will let people retail their games for. Most manufacturers do. It's why you see things like Sony TVs the same price no matter where you shop.
MS is actually trying to encourage publishers to let them sale their games cheaper. That's the whole point of the One.
Current digital pricing is not all the fault of big bad evil MS. They get a set licensing fee regardless if a game is retail or digital.
So MS should lose money on customers that are leaving anyway for good faith and to get them used to digital?
Also, the 360 will still be around after the One drops. They have said for at least 4 years actually. Why set that precedence too early and lose money on a product you are going to still support and make games for?
You think they are in this to lose as much money as possible?
It would also remove some incentive for people to be early adopters of the next Xbox.
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How about because they have in a very real way admitted that part of the cost of a retail video game is the built in loss for used game sales and such and it doesn't take much thought to figure out that doesn't apply to digital downloads on the 360 anymore than it would apply to digital downloads on the XBOne?
The publisher has a lot of say in what they will let people retail their games for. Most manufacturers do. It's why you see things like Sony TVs the same price no matter where you shop.
MS is actually trying to encourage publishers to let them sale their games cheaper. That's the whole point of the One.
Current digital pricing is not all the fault of big bad evil MS. They get a set licensing fee regardless if a game is retail or digital.
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 11:19 am
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:18 am to stout
I'm sticking with MS, they're ahead of the curve it seems like to me. It will pay off in the long run, IMO.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:20 am to stout
Very informative OP. I just want to know when my xbox 360 will become as obsolete as a sega genesis
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:21 am to Hugo Stiglitz
MS and EA have both said they will support it for at least 4 more years. Not sure about other publishers at this point.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:21 am to Supravol22
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I'm sticking with MS, they're ahead of the curve it seems like to me. It will pay off in the long run, IMO.
how so? Sony has this same type of stuff in place already if this is the direction the gaming industry goes. They basically have it in the background to implement if that day comes, MS might be going all in on this, we really don't know yet.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:22 am to stout
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Why when they have no idea how many of those customers they will lose to PS4? There is attrition on both consoles every time a new gen releases.
Of course there is attrtion, and so you would think a company would try to entice customers to remain loyal. At least having the option of purchasing a digital copy for cheaper than a retail copy would seem like a way to do so.
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So MS should lose money on customers that are leaving anyway for good faith and to get them used to digital?
Let's be honest here, even at $40 per digital game no one would be losing money.
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Also, the 360 will still be around after the One drops. They have said for at least 4 years actually. Why set that precedence too early and lose money on a product you are going to still support and make games for?
I have no idea what your point is here. Again, they wouldn't be losing money. We all know that.
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It would also remove some incentive for people to be early adopters of the next Xbox.
Why would MS care one whit about that? Their profit margin will remain roughly the same whether you buy a 360 or an XBOne, and those who are on a functioning 360 now but are going to upgrade when the One hits are going to regardless of the cost of games. That's just a fact.
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The publisher has a lot of say in what they will let people retail their games for. Most manufacturers do. It's why you see things like Sony TVs the same price no matter where you shop.
I actually wonder about this. If the publishers are the ones setting the prices then how come every publisher has the same price? Collusion?
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 11:29 am
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:26 am to BTHog
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and so you would think a company would try to entice customers to remain loyal.
Free games starting next month will be the beginning of it.
(spare me that PS+ already has this because this isn't about that)
Both companies will continue to try and entice their customers in multiple ways the next 6 months but they have to do so in a way that doesn't hurt them going forward.
So again Xbox has zero incentive to set the precedence that digital games will be cheaper on the 360.
It also undermines what they are doing on the One.
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 11:39 am
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:27 am to StraightCashHomey21
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They basically have it in the background to implement if that day comes,
LINK
As I've already said and the engineer in the OP said used games and a Steam like model can not co-exist on a system. Sony went the used games route. Put 2 and 2 together.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:36 am to stout
Ohhh, you wanna know what would work. Start offering digital downloads for $49 hence giving the 360 users an economic incentive to switch to The One. Genius.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:39 am to Broke
Yea I know if I were in retail when I offered a new product I would no doubt want to give my current customers as few reasons as possible to be early adopters of it.
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 11:40 am
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:39 am to stout
That would get the juices flowing. It makes perfect sense to me.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:41 am to stout
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As I've already said and the engineer in the OP said used games and a Steam like model can not co-exist on a system. Sony went the used games route. Put 2 and 2 together.
so one guys opinion is the for sure truth, sony may have gone the used game route but still has thing in place on the back burner just if that shift to all digital happens
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:43 am to StraightCashHomey21
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so one guys opinion is the for sure truth
No, logic dictates what he is saying is the truth. You can't have a steam-esque pricing system when there is a used game industry undermining it.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:44 am to StraightCashHomey21
Shifting to all digital isn't the only thing it's about FYI. That's what you are missing and it's more than just one guys opinion but keep downplaying it instead of presenting any real counter arguments.
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 11:46 am
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:50 am to stout
I think we have the potential for some really good deals from Sony and MS over the next 6 months as both companies are jockying for buyers in the next phase.
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