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Need an apple pork shoulder brine.

Posted on 9/24/22 at 12:35 pm
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/24/22 at 12:35 pm
Putting a butt on the AM, any brine recipes to share?

TIA
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8214 posts
Posted on 9/24/22 at 12:45 pm to
Not sure what you’re looking for when you say apple brine. I would mix 1 gallon of apple juice with 1/2 cup salt, 1/2 cup sugar.
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
7636 posts
Posted on 9/24/22 at 12:47 pm to
We had a double cut pork chop on the menu that used this brine.

10ea apples
20ea bay leaves
1c garlic
1c thyme
3T cinnamon
20ea cloves
8c sugar
5c salt
4c brandy, alcohol cooked off
4gal hot water
3g ice

Peel apples and cut into 1" pieces - Put everything except hot water and ice into a heat proof, non reactive container - Heat water to a boil and pour over ingredients - Stir until salt and sugar dissolve then cover and let set 10-30 minutes - Add ice and allow to melt - Check that temp is @or below 70°F - Add pork and place container in refrigerator to brine for 12-24 hours.

Alternatively you could use an A10 can of apple sauce instead of fresh apples. Just try to get no sugar added applesauce or you'll have to adjust the sugar in the brine.

Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8214 posts
Posted on 9/24/22 at 12:51 pm to
Interesting. I don’t think I’ve Ever seen a brine with fresh apples.
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
7636 posts
Posted on 9/24/22 at 12:53 pm to
That's probably because you've never cooked in a classical French brasserie.

Edit: I say that to mean, the recipe was originally developed to use an A10 can of apple sauce but, the chef wanted fresh apples in the brine instead. He was uncompromising.
This post was edited on 9/24/22 at 1:12 pm
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19608 posts
Posted on 9/24/22 at 1:10 pm to
No water to that just straight juice salt and sugar?
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
7636 posts
Posted on 9/24/22 at 1:30 pm to
Here's the recipe converted down

1ea 24oz can apple sauce
5ea bay leaves
.25c garlic, sliced
.25c thyme (small bunch)
.75T cinnamon (or 2 sticks)
5ea cloves
2c sugar
1.25c salt
1c brandy, alcohol cooked off
1g hot water
.75g ice
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8214 posts
Posted on 9/24/22 at 1:31 pm to
You could add water to save money on the apple juice, but you don’t need to.

A normal brine is typically something like: 1 gallon water, 1 cup salt, 1 cup sugar. Adjust to your liking.
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
7636 posts
Posted on 9/24/22 at 2:13 pm to
The drawbacks with using straight apple juice are,

1) Hard to control sugar content as every apple juice product is not created equal.

2) Apple juice did not transfer a perceptible "apple" flavor, only sweetness.

3) Sugars in apple juice "burn" more readily.

Because apple sauce contains all or most of the apple, including the skin in come occasions, the perceptible apple flavor is conveyed in the final product.

You could add a bit of apple juice or apple cider vinegar or even substitute apple Brandy to the brine I posted to manipulate the taste of apple.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19608 posts
Posted on 9/24/22 at 2:14 pm to
Didn't think about that with the sauce
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8214 posts
Posted on 9/24/22 at 2:52 pm to
Apple sauce is a great idea for apple flavor. Does it blend well with water to form a brine?

GreenHead, if I want to inject meat for barbecue, I’ll blend (in a blender) bbq seasoning or Cajun seasoning with apple juice. When I cook whole pigs, this is what I do. The juice I use as the carrier instead of water because it has flavor when water does not. I never really used it looking for apple flavor. It’s a great way to inject a pork butt if you want the seasoning inside the butt.

If I was wanting apple flavor, I would try to blend apple sauce with juice or water and inject it. The brine will not work far into the inside of the butt in 24 hours unless you inject it. Of course, that’s just if you want extra flavor.
This post was edited on 9/24/22 at 2:59 pm
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
7636 posts
Posted on 9/24/22 at 5:34 pm to
quote:

Apple sauce is a great idea for apple flavor. Does it blend well with water to form a brine?


Applesauce is pureed apples, which are probably 75-85% water, making applesauce an aqueous liquid solution. So yeah, it blends well with brine.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19608 posts
Posted on 9/24/22 at 7:16 pm to
So with pork I have always seen where you don't want to over brine it, 12 hrs max, how long do yall soak it for?
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8214 posts
Posted on 9/24/22 at 7:52 pm to
Brining depends on the thickness of the meat. Depends on whether you want the brine to flavor just a little layer on the outside or if you want it to flavor the entire inside all the way to the core.

Think of it like this… brine has to work its way into the meat. It does this little by little. A 1-inch steak may need 4 hours for the brine to get to the middle. A 2-inch steak may need 8 hours.

A pork chop may take 24 hours. But If you want a Boston butt to get brine in the core (without injecting), it may take a week.


Now, you don’t have to get it to the core. If you’re marinating, you’re just trying to add flavor and the outside layer works. If you’re brining or curing, you’re generally wanting the brine in the meat so the meat is juicier and to add the flavor.
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8214 posts
Posted on 9/24/22 at 8:01 pm to


I’ve used this photo before to explain it. To cure meat, you can brine the meat in a brine with nitrite. The nitrite changes the color of the meat when it’s cooked. This photo shows the middle of the meat not cured. Why? Because they didn’t soak it in brine long enough for the brine (with the nitrite) to reach the center of the meat. The brine didn’t have enough time to work into the core.

Again, you don’t have to brine all the way to the core (if you’re not using nitrite to cure). It’s all about what you’re looking for. Just know brining a butt for 12 hours is only going to brine/flavor a small layer on the outside of the butt. Or…you can inject and then brine and the entire butt will be brined in 12 hours because you’ve injected the brine into the core.
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