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re: 70% of supermarket ground beef contains "pink slime"

Posted on 3/8/12 at 2:53 pm to
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 3/8/12 at 2:53 pm to
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They provide organic food because they've taken HELL over their food by food people and so had to take action to assist in improving their image, and to silence their critics. They're a business, and as big a business as they are, they could take a bath on organic food all day and never miss a beat. They don't though. I'm certain that it's purchased. It's just that the belief that Walmart did it because of how big of a demand there was by Walmart shoppers rather than what really caused them to start stocking organic products is just a bunch of silly bullshite.


I'm trying to reconcile your stupid logic in my head and it isn't happening because I'm not dumb enough to think like you.

Let's recap. You think:

1. Wal mart shoppers are all idiots who don't care about organic food
2. The organic food actually does sell despite your dumb arse assumption in point #1
3. You believe that wal mart is doing this because of some sort of image problem despite the fact that it should be inconsequential to their bottom line because again, all their clients are dullards referenced in point #1

It's about their bottom line and that is always driven by demand. If their consumers are all a bunch of dullards like you suggest then the image problem wouldn't matter anyway.

Keep making up whatever narratives you want to make you feel superior to everyone else though. It's cute and everyone on the board thinks you're pretentious, and rightly so.
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43299 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 2:53 pm to
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Like what?


Processed carbs.. bread, pasta, white rice, flatbread, chips, etc.


I promise you, the explosion of carbohydrate eating is a far, far worse threat than any threat meat may pose.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162217 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 2:54 pm to
Oh and simbo>>>>>>Mike
Posted by simbo
Member since Jun 2011
1664 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 3:02 pm to
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Processed carbs.. bread, pasta, white rice, flatbread, chips, etc.


No, dropped it all. I fill up on nuts and carrots. I make wraps in tortillas.....bout it.

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I promise you, the explosion of carbohydrate eating is a far, far worse threat than any threat meat may pose.


And that's fine. I just haven't seem a study that said eating a bagel increases cancer rates. This research disagrees with the Atkins diet in particular.

The study also did not say that we shouldn't eat meat. It said they have proven that they are able to turn off and on tumor growth in mice with certain percentages of animal protein. Then their cancer study in China showed increased rates of cancer and other dieases were directly rated to the rates of animal protein intake, including dairy.

I eat meat, I eat small amounts of turkey and chicken on occasion. I just don't think I eat a protein diet like the average person.
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
22774 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 3:07 pm to
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simbo


FWIW, even if I don't agree with your premise, I admire your diet. At least based on what you have posted. Particularly since you've had delicious meat in the past. It takes some commitment to stick with that.
This post was edited on 3/8/12 at 3:09 pm
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43299 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 3:07 pm to
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And that's fine. I just haven't seem a study that said eating a bagel increases cancer rates. This research disagrees with the Atkins diet in particular.


I'm no longer on Atkins, but I'm sure it'd disagree with paleo as well. I'm sorry, I just can't get on board with this whole "meat causes cancer" thing.

Agree to disagree though
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
58862 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 3:08 pm to
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I've lived in a lot of different places and for the most part food just isn't that big of a part of culture in the United States unless you're talking about major metro areas where you have more experienced diners.

Any small town in Louisiana is going to have a richer food culture than small towns in most other areas of the country.



I have too powerman, and I'm at least twice your age, so I've had more years invested in observation. I don't mean that as a knock, just that I'm not speaking as if I haven't lived in three other states and other places in Louisiana to make an intelligent judgement call on things. I have family scattered from one side of this country to the other and that tired old thing you hear when people from Louisiana say "they just don't know how to cook outside of Louisiana" is just not even close to being so, and if you've traveled, then you know that's not the case.


Baton Rouge is the #7 chain addicted fast food city per capita in America with BK being the most popular chain in this city for good reason. That's not a people who overall cherish high quality food Powerman. It's just not the case. Are there people here who do? Well sure. Are there more people here that do than other places in say Kansas, Nebraska, and other parts in this country where the food is absolutely abysmal? Certainly, but areas of NOLA like Uptown, Mid City, Downtown, the FQ, etc and BR are so polar opposite when it comes to the emphasis placed upon next level bad arse food it's pretty comical to even compare. Same can be said for MANy other cities in this country that place a much higher importance on food than BR does by miles.

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Any small town in Louisiana is going to have a richer food culture than small towns in most other areas of the country.



Not completely true. There are some pretty serious small town food places all over the country, but I'd probably agree to an extent.

Brady's in Hammond would wipe the floor with Dempseys and Brew Bachers, and I'd put Jacmel Inn up against pretty much any place in BR.

Same can be said for most of the Northshore where really good food is becomming more the norm than the exception.
Posted by simbo
Member since Jun 2011
1664 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 3:09 pm to
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It's about their bottom line and that is always driven by demand.


Correct. As soon as people stop buying beef with slime, and demanding better, grass fed beef, it will suddenly show up on shelves. Hence all of the chicken with "no hormones, no antibotics, cage free" showing up. (Even if the cage free thing is a lose interpretation)

It's slowly happening.

Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
97632 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 3:12 pm to
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Correct. As soon as people stop buying beef with slime, and demanding better, grass fed beef, it will suddenly show up on shelves.


but if they aren't required to disclose whats in the beef then the average person probably won't know they are eating slime
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
58862 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 3:13 pm to
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1. Wal mart shoppers are all idiots who don't care about organic food


Not all


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2. The organic food actually does sell despite your dumb arse assumption in point #1


Completely ignored the part where I conceeded it selled.


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3. You believe that wal mart is doing this because of some sort of image problem despite the fact that it should be inconsequential to their bottom line because again, all their clients are dullards referenced in point #1



Yeah

Image and marketing is everything to people like Walmart. Is that news?


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It's about their bottom line and that is always driven by demand. If their consumers are all a bunch of dullards like you suggest then the image problem wouldn't matter anyway.



There's that ALL thing again...

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Keep making up whatever narratives you want to make you feel superior to everyone else though. It's cute and everyone on the board thinks you're pretentious, and rightly so.



I don't really live to please you or anyone else on this board Powerman. I follow my own lead and think for myself.


Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162217 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 3:14 pm to
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Baton Rouge is the #7 chain addicted fast food city per capita

This is due to it being a majority black city and having several universities with people with very little expendable income

Surely you could figure that out?

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with BK being the most popular chain in this city for good reason.

Really? I don't think so. McDonald's probably outnumbers Baton Rouge at least 3-1 in the area.

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Are there more people here that do than other places in say Kansas, Nebraska, and other parts in this country where the food is absolutely abysmal?

So the entire midwestern united states?
Posted by simbo
Member since Jun 2011
1664 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 3:16 pm to
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At least based on what you have posted. Particularly since you've had delicious meat in the past. It takes some commitment to stick with that.


Like I said, I fail all the time. You guys are good to talk to.....hope I didn't offend.

Try and check out the flick "Forks over Knives." Like I said, I am a big conservative so I don't watch some liberal, hippie BS. And I'm very skeptical of vegan crap.....but some of it makes sense. Good movie either way.

If you want to see the actual production of the Beef Products Inc, slime-filler.....check out Food, Inc.

Some of it is kinda hippie, conspiracy crap, but just ignore it to see how they make the stuff. Interesting.
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43299 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 3:18 pm to
All of this talk of pink slime in my meat and McDonald's, Burger King, and Taco Bell is making me hungry.


Posted by simbo
Member since Jun 2011
1664 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 3:18 pm to
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but if they aren't required to disclose whats in the beef then the average person probably won't know they are eating slime


Absolutely.

I didn't know that if we just fed the cattle grass like they are supposed to eat, no kids would die from e-coli in a Happy Meal. Cows eating grass kills e-coli.

Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162217 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 3:19 pm to
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Try and check out the flick "Forks over Knives." Like I said, I am a big conservative so I don't watch some liberal, hippie BS. And I'm very skeptical of vegan crap.....but some of it makes sense. Good movie either way.

I've watched it

I just don't really buy into it

I'm all about people eating more vegetables for sure though. Particularly if they're interested in weight loss. Great source of dietary fiber and low in calories and are also low in carbs. Really there isn't any sensible diet that would tell you not to eat vegetables.

I am definitely with these other guys though that are convinced that carbs and not meat fats are the real culprit with a lot of health problems.

It's just not a good idea to have a really high carb intake and most "balanced diets" per recommendations from government entities are just full of carbs in the form of milk and grains.
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
97632 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 3:22 pm to
most of my beef comes from calves my dad raises, they eat a combo of grass, corn, and other grains and taste fine to me


and i've never died from ecoli
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422393 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 3:31 pm to
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No, dropped it all. I fill up on nuts and carrots. I make wraps in tortillas.....bout it.

that's good
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
58862 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 3:32 pm to
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This is due to it being a majority black city and having several universities with people with very little expendable income

Surely you could figure that out?



They don't count towards the population of Baton Rouge?

Tell you what, Tony's probably has some of the best poboys in BR, and in the middle of a heavy black population, and I bet there's more fast food chains south of Florida Blvd, especially around so called "White areas" of town than in NBR by a good bit. Furthermore, the rest of the chains that are dominant all over this city, most of them are located around the white population who spends the money on going out to eat.

When there's talk about a new chain restaurant coming to this city, it's almost surely a 10-20 page thread, and you know it too. Don't act as if you don't. People go ape shite over chain food here in the BR. That's because we're more like Mississippi because of the population influx years ago than anything like South Louisiana. That's why chains dominate this landscape. That, and unlike Laffy who's sadly moving in our direction, God save them, and NOLA without question, BR has no identity in food to call their own. Hell, up to probably 50 years ago, you were hard pressed to find crawfish. It's little Mississippi man, and it is what it is, but I don't think it has to remain that way either, not in the middle of South Louisiana we don't.


Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162217 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 3:35 pm to
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They don't count towards the population of Baton Rouge?


They do

I'm just saying that the demographics are going to drive the fast food trend in Baton Rouge

That doesn't mean that BR is completely devoid of any food culture like the places in the midwest that I mentioned. That was my sticking point there.

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BR has no identity in food to call their own

Well it's more of a mix of other food cultures around the state. I don't really care if they aren't trailblazers. You can find good food and good produce there. And I'd imagine the food scene will only evolve and get better over time. I'm not a pessimist like your old cranky arse.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422393 posts
Posted on 3/8/12 at 3:37 pm to
quote:

They don't count towards the population of Baton Rouge?

they do

they don't count towards the population of tigerdroppings, though
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