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re: The ATL Thread Fantasy Football League: DRAFT TONIGHT
Posted on 8/22/12 at 1:27 pm to OBUDan
Posted on 8/22/12 at 1:27 pm to OBUDan
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No one ahead of me is going to give up their pick for Cam, for instance, and there wouldn't be much value in me giving him to someone for a lower pick, in case he falls.
Yeah, I hear you. It is hard to get a first rounder in these leagues.
But if you aren't planning on hoping that the player you are trading is going to fall for you, trades can easily happen. I just traded Peterson for a 2nd rounder in my other league, which I'm more than happy with. I have the 5th pick so I can still pick up a really good player and also have an extra 2nd rounder, all for someone that I had no intention of keeping.
Believe it or not, most teams don't have 3 surefire keepers.
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Posted on 8/22/12 at 1:28 pm to okietiger
I believe so. An odd time to have a deadline, though.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 1:32 pm to SwampDonks
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Believe it or not, most teams don't have 3 surefire keepers.
This x1000.
Sproles, Ahmad Bradshaw, and Carolina Steve Smith all could easily be keepers on several teams in this league. Just so happens they are on my team. 6 potential keepers on 1 squad =/= every squad having 3 sure fire ones.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 1:42 pm to okietiger
Should be midnight cent not pst
Posted on 8/22/12 at 1:43 pm to SwampDonks
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Believe it or not, most teams don't have 3 surefire keepers.
See, I don't agree with this. Because keeping a player costs you nothing. So EVERYONE has at least three guys worth hanging on to for no cost (since you have to do it).
I just paged through the rosters and I don't see any team that has 3 keepers so bad they HAVE to trade for someone.
EZE has Bowe, Nicks, Johnson. In a league where he can start all 3, they are 3 no. 1 WRs who should have high volume of catches in a PPR.
Caple has Brady, Foster and Finley. Even if he said, man, I really need a 3rd better keeper, would giving up his no. 5 pick really be worth it, when he can just likely wind up with a similarly valued player with that same pick?
I dunno. Just doesn't seem like there will ever be much movement.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 1:47 pm to OBUDan
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Even if he said, man, I really need a 3rd better keeper, would giving up his no. 5 pick really be worth it, when he can just likely wind up with a similarly valued player with that same pick?
Doubtful, but people tend to want to hang onto their 1st round picks no matter what.
I guess I just see a surefire keeper differently than you do. I have Finley ranked 70th overall on my rankings, so the person that keeps him is way behind a team that is keeping 3 players that are ranked in the top 25.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 1:49 pm to SwampDonks
Finley and Stevie Johnson as keepers is an absolute joke.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 1:55 pm to OBUDan
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The ATL Thread Fantasy Football League: Preseason Thread
Just seems like every team will have 3 guys worth keeping.
And if you have more, it's near impossible to get someone with a high pick to give you that for that person, if that person (or someone of similar value) may just fall to them in the draft (like Sproles, in this instance).
No one ahead of me is going to give up their pick for Cam, for instance, and there wouldn't be much value in me giving him to someone for a lower pick, in case he falls.
This is the conundrum I face at this moment.
Do I give up my second rounder, and drop in rounds one and three for an RB1/borderline 2?
I want to, but just can't commit right now. Damn.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 2:07 pm to okietiger
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Finley and Stevie Johnson as keepers is an absolute joke.
You shut your whore mouth.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 2:14 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
sorry. IM TRYING TO HELP YOU
Posted on 8/22/12 at 2:33 pm to SwampDonks
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I guess I just see a surefire keeper differently than you do. I have Finley ranked 70th overall on my rankings, so the person that keeps him is way behind a team that is keeping 3 players that are ranked in the top 25.
I'm clearly not articulating my point very well.
There's no value in throwing away your top pick to lock up a guy who has to be thrown back into the pool anyhow.
Here's my rational
Your keepers are:
Tom Brady (QB1)
Arian Foster (RB1)
Jermichael Finley (2nd tier TE)
You pay no price to retain these three. In fact, you have to.
Amongst the pool of players will be:
Lynch
Richardson
Martin
Sproles
Cam
Antonio Brown
DeSean
Steve Smith
Brandon Lloyd
Romo
I'd say there's only a moderate difference in each of those players point-wise, independent of team need.
My rationale is why give up a top draft pick and one of your non-penalized keeper spaces to get a guy who is roughly equal to someone you will get anyway.
So basically you could have:
Brady, Foster, Finley AND Steve Smith.
Or Brady, Foster, Steve Smith.
ETA: I would guess there's less than 5 guys that are top 36 in value that can't be kept. And even there, you'll have a handful of others roughly worth the same thing.
This post was edited on 8/22/12 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 8/22/12 at 2:33 pm to okietiger
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I heard Michael Vick is going to stay healthy this year
pretty much what I'm banking on, I hate keeping him but really don't have a better option.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 2:39 pm to OBUDan
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And if you have more, it's near impossible to get someone with a high pick to give you that for that person, if that person (or someone of similar value) may just fall to them in the draft (like Sproles, in this instance).
No one ahead of me is going to give up their pick for Cam, for instance, and there wouldn't be much value in me giving him to someone for a lower pick, in case he falls.
You summed it up perfectly. In no world does it make sense for me to give up me #2 overall pick for Cam when I could keep my 3 players and then draft Cam at #2.
From your standpoint, you could easily convince me to give up my 2nd rd pick for Cam but that only slightly helps you and tremendously helps me.
ETA If either of you want to give up Sproles or Cam for my 2nd rd pick (pick 25 overall I believe) the offer has been made
This post was edited on 8/22/12 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 8/22/12 at 2:40 pm to OBUDan
You are assuming you know who's going to be drafted and where.
Basically EZE (or anyone) can upgrade and thus guarantee getting a certain player they want for a price or they can stick with what they have and hope for the best.
Safe vs high risk/high reward
Basically EZE (or anyone) can upgrade and thus guarantee getting a certain player they want for a price or they can stick with what they have and hope for the best.
Safe vs high risk/high reward
Posted on 8/22/12 at 2:54 pm to okietiger
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You are assuming you know who's going to be drafted and where.
I'm assuming with a shite ton of logic. If someone is dumb enough to take Robert Meachem with the 3rd pick, then yeah, you are right, I assumed too much.
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Basically EZE (or anyone) can upgrade and thus guarantee getting a certain player they want for a price or they can stick with what they have and hope for the best.
No. It's a very minimal upgrade for a very high cost. EZE can upgrade by sitting on that pick and picking up that same guy AND still having another decent player he doesn't have to worry about drafting later.
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Safe vs high risk/high reward
Or, as I like to put it "Stupid vs. smart."
EZE would be nuts to give you his 4th pick for a player you HAVE to throw back. NUTS.
And Sproles isn't so much more valuable than Richardson/Martin/etc. that it justifies the risk. Maybe if you were throwing back McCoy/Rice/Foster, but that would never, ever happen.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 3:12 pm to OBUDan
offtopic: anyone know a good website or program that helps you do an offline draft? I would just use a whiteboard but I've got 9 people in ATL and 3 who are in other states.
In the past I've just made an excel doc and posted it on google docs for everyone to edit.
Would like to find something that allows me to do something like this but also eliminates ppl when they are picked like a normal online draft.
TIA
In the past I've just made an excel doc and posted it on google docs for everyone to edit.
Would like to find something that allows me to do something like this but also eliminates ppl when they are picked like a normal online draft.
TIA
Posted on 8/22/12 at 3:13 pm to hiltacular
Do you want to do it free?
I know of some programs, but you have to pay a bit.
I know of some programs, but you have to pay a bit.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 3:16 pm to OBUDan
Free preferably. Like I said, I can create a google doc and give everyone editing access and this will accomplish what I need but I was wondering if there was something easier. Most sites I've seen are $$
Posted on 8/22/12 at 3:18 pm to hiltacular
You could just sign up for a free Yahoo! league, use their software and then input the results into whatever site you are using.
Posted on 8/22/12 at 3:25 pm to OBUDan
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EZE would be nuts to give you his 4th pick for a player you HAVE to throw back. NUTS. And Sproles isn't so much more valuable than Richardson/Martin/etc. that it justifies the risk. Maybe if you were throwing back McCoy/Rice/Foster, but that would never, ever happen.
Yup, which is why I'm trying to negotiate a trade with moving pick slots, as opposed to losing the picks.
Okie, I can't make that trade right now and lose my second rounder. I'd be willing to give up a later pick or something of that fashion, but I NEED my second rounder.....bad.
Unless you want to switch slots in certain rounds of the draft, I can't do it. I can't give up any of my first five rounders.
PS - I STILL WANT SPROLES, so let's see if we can work something out. I'm about to have to start daddy duty, so let me know something. I also have another draft tonight in a $150 league, so I'm about to get in that zone as well. LOL
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