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Posted by rondo
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 3:04 pm to
it sucks that he plays for such a shitty team
Posted by LSUBoo
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 3:05 pm to
I don't know if you're talking about my team or the Astros... but either way don't be surprised for a breakout in 2015.
Posted by EarlyBird
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 3:06 pm to
I like Altuve because he gives you what i call the grout stats (R, OBP, SB). And he gives it to you in volume. As Houston gets better, his numbers will only improve. Chicks may dig the long ball and RBIs, but Altuve is a huge Roto player and I really like his consistency in H2H.
Posted by MrWiseGuy
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 3:10 pm to
Altuve is not really a high OBP player, tho.

It was inflated last year due to his batting title win.
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 3:11 pm to
quote:

I don't know if you're talking about my team or the Astros..



yes
Posted by EarlyBird
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 3:17 pm to
Dude has upper 80s to lower 90s ct%. And he has speed. He could take a few more walks and part of his Avg is hit% fueled, but I think a .340 OBP is his floor. And hit hit% only rose from 33 to 36%, which is in line with his past. That's not enough of a jump to discount his ability to maintain those numbers.
Posted by cwill
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 3:47 pm to
Other than Rendon (who may lose his 2B status) there were no high end 2Bs out there warranting a high draft pick. I didn't view it as a position of scarcity that made the high end valuable...because the high end was meh.
This post was edited on 2/10/15 at 3:48 pm
Posted by barry
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:05 pm to
quote:

Dude has upper 80s to lower 90s ct%. And he has speed. He could take a few more walks and part of his Avg is hit% fueled, but I think a .340 OBP is his floor. And hit hit% only rose from 33 to 36%, which is in line with his past. That's not enough of a jump to discount his ability to maintain those numbers.



His BABPIP soared 40+ points compared to his first two full major league seasons. His LD%, GB%, and FB% all stayed roughly the same. So he just straight up got lucky last year. I wouldn't call .340 his floor as much as what you could except his avg year to be. He didn't increase his walk rate any significant amount either.
This post was edited on 2/10/15 at 4:06 pm
Posted by EarlyBird
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:14 pm to
No doubt his average was inflated. With speed and contact, he'll get on base at a good clip. Now is he susceptible to being unlucky? Sure.

ETA: This is pretty interesting.

Altuve
This post was edited on 2/10/15 at 4:19 pm
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:22 pm to


Dee Gordon had more runs (+7) and SBs (+8) than Altuve did in 50+ less plate appearances. He went in the 5th round (still too high, but I digress). Take a stud in the 2nd, draft Gordon in the 5th. Of course if you legitimately think Altuve can develop power (nothing suggests this), then sure, take him in the 2nd. But if he's hitting 10 instead of 7 in a H2H league... meh, not a huge deal
Posted by EarlyBird
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:25 pm to
I think you should take Dee Gordon instead of Altuve then. I wouldn't.
Posted by barry
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:29 pm to
Article brings up some good points but it says

quote:

So, with all that said, Altuve's biggest improvement in 2014 was putting the ball in play and using his legs more, so his increase in BABIP may not be as lucky as some might think.


Putting the ball in play more often doesn't increase your BABIP. Its a rate stat, putting more balls in play won't increase your BABIP. He racked up 12 more infield hits. One thing you can't capture is how hard he hit those ground balls, so maybe his new swing allowed him to hit harder ground balls. We shall see.
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:32 pm to
I would never pay for either, so that point is moot

My point is value based on where you are drafting them. In this league, for instance

Altuve and one of





Or Gordon and one of






If you are hitting in front of Gattis, Carter, and Springer, you better hope those dudes keep hitting a shite ton of HRs
Posted by EarlyBird
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:37 pm to
I agree on the guys hitting behind Altuve. My point was that Altuve has hit since he came into the league. Gordon has one exceptional half of a season before his warts started showing up again. It would take an exceptional drop in ADP for me to mess with Dee Gordon.
Posted by reddman
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:39 pm to
I still can't believe Michael Brantley got drafted before Felix Hernandez. I can almost understand Bogaerts going before him (ok not really), but Brantley?

Posted by EarlyBird
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:40 pm to
quote:

Putting the ball in play more often doesn't increase your BABIP. Its a rate stat, putting more balls in play won't increase your BABIP.


I agree. I think the writer worded that poorly. He should have emphasized the impact his wheels had on his BABIP.

Posted by EarlyBird
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:40 pm to
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I still can't believe Michael Brantley got drafted before Felix Hernandez.


You must be chaffing pretty bad by now.
This post was edited on 2/10/15 at 4:41 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:44 pm to
Brantley was >> cargomez last year
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:47 pm to
Im going to throw out Altuve's OBP and SLG this past season, because I think it was an outlier. I understand many people wont want to do that, but I just dont believe he will come close to replicating those numbers.

Now after throwing them out, Altuve's career high OBP vs Gordon's (.340 vs .326) and SLG vs Gordon (.399 vs .378).. meh, they will be closer than you think this season, in my oh so humble opinion. Gordon will see more doubles and triples this season in that huge park. Infield hits will always be there, too

*this is gyno analysis, not scientific analysis
This post was edited on 2/10/15 at 4:49 pm
Posted by dj30
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:50 pm to
Because Brantley has actually produced at the major league level and was a top 5 overall player last year while Xander hasn't done shot yet.
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