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Posted on 3/24/16 at 7:51 am to
Posted by Toula
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 7:51 am to
Didn't you guys rule that Mondesi's one AB in the World Series now allows him to float back and forth from a MLB to MiLB roster?

What's the difference here?
Posted by Chatagnier
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 7:54 am to
Because he didn't start, he was put in later in the game. Therefore it doesn't show up as a game played I believe.
Posted by Toula
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:11 am to
Confused to what you are saying Chat.

IIRC, the committee ruled that Mondesi getting an AB in the World Series makes him eligible to be on a MLB roster.

So post season stats apply to some rules and not others..?

Either way, a dude that played 49% of his total games at a position the year before should be eligible there.
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:12 am to
One is eligiblity to be on a MLB roster. The other is positional eligibility.


Puttimg Mondesi on the MLB roster is of almost zero value.

Giving Baez ss eligibility has lots of value.

If you were to force me to choose I would take away Mondesi's MLB eligibilty before granting Baez' ss eligibility

Posted by LSUBoo
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:13 am to
quote:

If you were to force me to choose I would take away Mondesi's MLB eligibilty before granting Baez' ss eligibility


I concur. Post-season stats shouldn't count.
Posted by Chatagnier
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:16 am to
I believe he didn't even receive an AB he was put in as a pinch runner.


Edit: Shows no AB on here LINK
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 8:18 am
Posted by LSUBoo
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:20 am to
quote:

I believe he didn't even receive an AB he was put in as a pinch runner.


No, he pinch hit and struck out.

Post-season ABs don't count toward anything other than post-season stats though. So that one AB wouldn't count toward his 400 AB minors eligibility in this league.
Posted by Chatagnier
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:23 am to
Gotcha. Maybe that's an ammendment to add to the constitution.
Posted by Toula
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:27 am to
quote:


One is eligiblity to be on a MLB roster. The other is positional eligibility.

Puttimg Mondesi on the MLB roster is of almost zero value.

Giving Baez ss eligibility has lots of value.


Ah. I see. So committee ruled post season stats count when it's zero value, but they don't count when it has lots of value.

First year in the league. Do you guys typically change how you interpret rules based on value and who it's helping?
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:30 am to
I don't make the final call pal.

I don't even think I commented on the Mondesi ruling.

Posted by rondo
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:31 am to
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Post-season ABs don't count toward anything other than post-season stats though. So that one AB wouldn't count toward his 400 AB minors eligibility in this league.



this is a very important distinction.

If the ABs and IP don't count towards a players MiLB eligibility clock then they shouldn't count towards anything.
Posted by Toula
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:35 am to
Post season stuff aside.

Here's where I thing we need a clear ruling.

Player has a clear primary position in the MiLB. Gets called up in September, but does not meet the required 10 at his primary position. Does he lose that primary position eligibility?
Posted by LSUBoo
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:40 am to
quote:

Post season stuff aside.


As it should be.

quote:

Here's where I thing we need a clear ruling.

Player has a clear primary position in the MiLB. Gets called up in September, but does not meet the required 10 at his primary position. Does he lose that primary position eligibility?


There is a clear ruling... it's actually in the rules as such:

quote:

Position Eligibility
Games needed from previous season for a player to qualify at a hitting position : 10
Games needed from current season for a player to qualify at a hitting position: 5
Starts needed from previous season for a player to qualify as a starter : 10
Starts needed from current season for a player to qualify as a starter : 5
Relief appearances needed from previous season for a player to qualify as a reliever : 10
Relief appearances needed from current season for a player to qualify as a reliever: 5
Use Fantrax's default position(s) in addition to any position(s) a player qualifies for based on above criteria: No
Note: If a player does not qualify for any positions based on the above selections, he will qualify at the position(s) played most in the previous season. If he did not play at all last season, then the default position(s) will be used.


He played 17 games at 2B and 11 at 3B last season, so he's eligible in those two positions. Had he NOT reached 10 games at any position, it would have gone back to whichever position he played the most, or if he didn't play at all it would revert to his default position, which I assume Fantrax bases on his Minors appearances.
Posted by dj30
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:46 am to
quote:

f the ABs and IP don't count towards a players MiLB eligibility clock then they shouldn't count towards anything.



This I agree with.
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:05 am to
Fantrax controls positional eligibility regardless
Posted by reddman
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:33 am to
Lol at Toulbag trying to use the Mondesi ruling as a way to get Baez SS eligibility.

No shame in his game, that's for sure.
Posted by Toula
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:38 am to
I don't see how they are different. Post season either counts or doesn't. Surely you see how they are related.

Also don't see how we penalize September callups for coming up and playing a different position than they played all year.
Posted by RollDatRoll
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:43 am to
No worries. As soon as he starts 5 games at SS this year, he will be SS eligible.
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:43 am to
You want their minor league positions to carry over?
Posted by LSUBoo
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:44 am to
quote:

You want their minor league positions to carry over?


It would, if he didn't gain eligibility at two other positions last season.
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