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re: Official Frick the 2 Party System Thread #FeelTheJohnson
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:06 am to Tiger in NY
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:06 am to Tiger in NY
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I voted for Johnson and I think he is a terrible candidate. What I really voted for was to see a 3rd party get maybe 10% of the vote to increase their chances in the future. That's why I don't view it as a wasted vote.
Pretty much this. He's no worse than Trump or Hillary in my opinion. My vote is against the two party system. It's pretty sad that most people will always vote for their party no matter how terrible the candidate is.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:08 am to AggieDub14
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There's more to him than pot though. GJ wants to rein in spending and fix our interventionalist foreign policy.
There's really not, though. Those are part of his official platform, but all he talks or thinks about is pot.
He's not a serious person.
I'm all for non-interventionism, but that doesn't mean "I'm a non-interventionist, therefore I don't have to know anything about major world events or geopolitical dynamics".
The guy didn't know what Aleppo is or where it is or why it matters. That wasn't a "gaffe", or a momentary lapse; he didn't misspeak; he was just flat-out completely ignorant of something that is nightly news. He knows less about a major current world event than the average person on this board. And yet you want to say voting for Trump is irresponsible and he's unfit? Lord have mercy; when it comes to Johnson, that's the pot calling the kettle black.
Look, I 100% understand being dissatisfied with both Trump and Clinton, but Johnson isn't some white knight, dignified alternative either. The guy's joke. A middle aged pothead for open borders. The principled thing to do if you don't like Trump or Clinton in this election is just to abstain, not go vote for a LESS serious candidate than Trump.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:08 am to Captain Want
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Either Trump or Clinton will be president. If you are voting in a battleground close state, your vote for a third party candidate is just like voting for Clinton because you have two true choices. The rest are distractions. Rationalize it all you like, but that's the truth.
I'll chime in since many news services are saying that Georgia is a toss up state. In order for you to say that my third party vote is a vote for Clinton, you are apparently assuming that if Johnson wasn't running that we would vote for Trump. That is absurd. I don't know a single Johnson voter that would ever consider Trump or Hillary.
Some of us refuse to sell out and vote for two people that we hate and disagree with. I want be able to have a clear conscience when I leave a polling station.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 9:09 am
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:10 am to Cooter Davenport
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And yet you want to say voting for Trump is irresponsible and he's unfit? Lord have mercy; when it comes to Johnson, that's the pot calling the kettle black
And yet Johnson has never commented on the size of his junk in a televised debate.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:11 am to Cooter Davenport
It's more about the idea that he represents than him. He won't win. He can't win. It's about building momentum for local elections. Which then builds momentum for state elections. Which then does the same for national ones. If the libertarian vote starts coming out, the country will start paying more attention to them in future cycles.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:11 am to texag7
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Gary Johnson is mentally retarded
So is the OP. You saw he was an Aggie fan right?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:15 am to whoisnickdoobs
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What I really voted for was to see a 3rd party get maybe 10% of the vote to increase their chances in the future. That's why I don't view it as a wasted vote.
This is a display of ignorance of the basic underlying mechanisms of our system of democracy. In our system, which is first past the post, single member district, winner take all (plurality system), there can ONLY be two viable parties. That is pre-determined by our method of voting. A third party can arise and replace one of the two existing parties, but there can't be three viable parties for more than a couple of cycles, tops, due to the first past the post, single member district, winner take all electoral system. People in this country get confused by looking at some European states or Japan and thinking we can have multiple parties like that if we just really want it bad enough, but that's not the case. It's structural. Those countries have proportional representation (PR) voting mechanisms.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:17 am to AggieDub14
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It's more about the idea that he represents than him. He won't win. He can't win. It's about building momentum for local elections. Which then builds momentum for state elections. Which then does the same for national ones. If the libertarian vote starts coming out, the country will start paying more attention to them in future cycles.
Puff, puff, pass, dude. You'd totally castigate a Trump voter for holding these same sentiments - "it's about the idea that he represents" especially.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:18 am to AggieDub14
I was going to vote libertarian but Johnson is as much of a libertarian as Trump is a republican.
I'm sitting this one out.
I'm sitting this one out.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:19 am to LesMiles BFF
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And yet Johnson has never commented on the size of his junk in a televised debate.
But yet he is a middle aged man who constantly talks about pot like a 16 year old and stated he didn't know what Aleppo was or why it mattered.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:20 am to Cooter Davenport
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There's really not, though. Those are part of his official platform, but all he talks or thinks about is pot.
Not true. His stance on pot is based on ending the drug war, which would be hugely beneficial to the moral and economic issues in this country. We need justice and campaign reform. He is a heavy proponent of both.
We need to get rid of fat government agencies, which he would push for. You really have no idea, and it is a weak arse uninformed meme to just say "he only cares about pot". Sad and typical thought process for 80% of America unfortunately.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:22 am to Cooter Davenport
And Trump is an idiot who talks about a wall that won't get built and gets pissy anytime anyone calls him out
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:23 am to dmjones
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Some of us refuse to sell out and vote for two people that we hate and disagree with. I want be able to have a clear conscience when I leave a polling station.
And I'm sick and tired of my Republican and Democrat friends berating me about a "wasted vote". It's sad they don't get that a vote to your own principles is never wasted, and that they can't understand it is none of their goddamned business. Nosy controlling people. That is what largely represents the 2 major parties right now.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:24 am to Cooter Davenport
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But yet he is a middle aged man who constantly talks about pot like a 16 year old and stated he didn't know what Aleppo was or why it mattered.
I'll let you in on something: there are people in this world that don't believe shite that is happening in a country half way around the earth is as important as the shite that is happening in our own backyard. So frick Aleppo and whatever significance you attach to it. We have to clean our own house before we start commenting on the neighbors shitty yard.
And another thing: the legalization of pot is not a topic strictly for 16 year olds. It's on the ballot in 9 states I believe. Again, frick the Middle East, we have more important shite to deal with including the disaster that is our educational system and our systematic incarceration of giant chunks of our population.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 9:25 am
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:25 am to Tiger in NY
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You really have no idea, and it is a weak arse uninformed meme to just say "he only cares about pot".
On the contrary, I understand and agree with his greater point about the damage wrought by the drug war.
It's just that I don't think that's the biggest issue facing the country. And he does drone on about and focus in on it time and again, because he is a pothead whose life revolves around weed, which is sad.
In an election where one candidate wants to go to war with Russia over Syria, it is a prerequisite of the other candidates to at least know where Aleppo is an why it matters. Gary had no idea, despite it being nightly news, because he is a silly stoner.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:26 am to Cooter Davenport
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This is a display of ignorance of the basic underlying mechanisms of our system of democracy. In our system, which is first past the post, single member district, winner take all (plurality system), there can ONLY be two viable parties. That is pre-determined by our method of voting. A third party can arise and replace one of the two existing parties, but there can't be three viable parties for more than a couple of cycles, tops, due to the first past the post, single member district, winner take all electoral system. People in this country get confused by looking at some European states or Japan and thinking we can have multiple parties like that if we just really want it bad enough, but that's not the case. It's structural. Those countries have proportional representation (PR) voting mechanisms.
You are right, and the Republican party is DYING as we speak. Trump is about to lose in a landslide, and I want Libertarian ideals to take over the GOP some day. Then we will again be able to compete with the Democrats.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:28 am to Cooter Davenport
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In an election where one candidate wants to go to war with Russia over Syria, it is a prerequisite of the other candidates to at least know where Aleppo is an why it matters
It doesn't matter if you are non-interventionist. Does that make sense to you?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:31 am to AggieDub14
Will be casting my vote shortly.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:32 am to LesMiles BFF
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So frick Aleppo and whatever significance you attach to it. We have to clean our own house before we start commenting on the neighbors shitty yard. And another thing: the legalization of pot is not a topic strictly for 16 year olds. It's on the ballot in 9 states I believe. Again, frick the Middle East, we have more important shite to deal with including the disaster that is our educational system and our systematic incarceration of giant chunks of our population.
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It doesn't matter if you are non-interventionist. Does that make sense to you?
No, that doesn't make sense. You are enshrining ignorance as if it is a virtue.
Don't you think that in an election where one candidate wants to go to war with Russia over Syria that the other candidates should be educated and conversant on the subject so they can explain why we SHOULDN'T?
The president of the United States can't just plug his ears and say 'nah nah nah nah' about what happens in the outside world. That's a silly position that only Bongwater Bros such as yourself would advocate. I guarantee that Ron Paul is educated on the situation in Syria and Hillary's desire for a war-starting no-fly-zone there, and could converse on the subject intelligently. It's beyond embarrassing that Gary Johnson has no idea about it.
Being educated on world affairs doesn't = wanting to intervene in them. Your attempt to conflate those two things is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 9:33 am
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:32 am to cokebottleag
I'm not saying it would work or not, just clarifying and assuming that's what he meant.
It's wishful thinking but I'm unsure if it would be very effective
It's wishful thinking but I'm unsure if it would be very effective
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