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re: Why wasn't Peleliu and other islands bypassed?
Posted on 7/17/21 at 1:49 pm to GREENHEAD22
Posted on 7/17/21 at 1:49 pm to GREENHEAD22
Don't discount the desire for retribution against the Japanese at every turn possible. There was, to some extent, a desire to be PUNITIVE for what happened at Pearl Harbor. That desire probably led us into taking islands at the time that history suggests weren't strategically important enough to warrant what we spent to take them.This wasn't a cold, mechanical war of numbers against some faceless enemy. The Pacific campaign was, in part, a war of payback and there was some real hatred for the Japanese and a desire to make them suffer at every chance possible.
Hell, look at what LeMay did to the home islands once he got within striking distance. If you ever wonder why Japan is such an ultra modern society, it's because a large number of cities were just burned to the ground when LeMay got there and heaped scorched Earth warfare on Japan. They're modern because most of the old cities literally did not exist after 1945. Look at Tokyo before and after LeMay. He was methodically firebombing every city he could and had he not been expressly forbidden by his superiors to bomb certain cities, there would have been no untouched cities left to drop nukes on. LeMay would've burnt them to the ground before the bomb was ready and we wouldn't have had any pristine cities left that would be able to give a before/after comparison to show the world the utter devastation our new weapon could inflict on a city.
To some extent, LeMay definitely wanted to make the Japanese PAY for what they'd done. Later in the war, the Japanese were decentralizing materiel production by spreading the machines out in their cities instead of putting them in a single factory. So, there might be a shed on your block where there is a machine just making screws all day and night. A couple of blocks over, the machine making the nuts for the screws might be in another shed. You pair that with the heavy use of paper and wood for building materials and you get LeMay's incendiary bombing campaign that effectively met all his goals, military and personal.
Hell, look at what LeMay did to the home islands once he got within striking distance. If you ever wonder why Japan is such an ultra modern society, it's because a large number of cities were just burned to the ground when LeMay got there and heaped scorched Earth warfare on Japan. They're modern because most of the old cities literally did not exist after 1945. Look at Tokyo before and after LeMay. He was methodically firebombing every city he could and had he not been expressly forbidden by his superiors to bomb certain cities, there would have been no untouched cities left to drop nukes on. LeMay would've burnt them to the ground before the bomb was ready and we wouldn't have had any pristine cities left that would be able to give a before/after comparison to show the world the utter devastation our new weapon could inflict on a city.
To some extent, LeMay definitely wanted to make the Japanese PAY for what they'd done. Later in the war, the Japanese were decentralizing materiel production by spreading the machines out in their cities instead of putting them in a single factory. So, there might be a shed on your block where there is a machine just making screws all day and night. A couple of blocks over, the machine making the nuts for the screws might be in another shed. You pair that with the heavy use of paper and wood for building materials and you get LeMay's incendiary bombing campaign that effectively met all his goals, military and personal.
This post was edited on 7/17/21 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 7/17/21 at 1:54 pm to GREENHEAD22
The Pacific War ended in success but it was really a mess. Factions and branches fighting about which way to head towards Japan. The smartest thing we did was drop the bomb and save American and Japanese lives.
Posted on 7/17/21 at 5:25 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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To some extent, LeMay definitely wanted to make the Japanese PAY for what they'd done. Later in the war, the Japanese were decentralizing materiel production by spreading the machines out in their cities instead of putting them in a single factory. So, there might be a shed on your block where there is a machine just making screws all day and night. A couple of blocks over, the machine making the nuts for the screws might be in another shed. You pair that with the heavy use of paper and wood for building materials and you get LeMay's incendiary bombing campaign that effectively met all his goals, military and personal.
"I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal.... Every soldier thinks something of the moral aspects of what he is doing. But all war is immoral and if you let that bother you, you're not a good soldier.”
Paradoxically he became a fan of Japanese culture during the occupation. He's responsible in large measure for popularizing martial arts in the US by encouraging GIs to study them.
This post was edited on 7/17/21 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 7/17/21 at 5:33 pm to GREENHEAD22
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Hence why I changed the title, so there are no arguments for.
Posted on 7/17/21 at 8:00 pm to RPC4LSU
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Bockscar made an emergency landing on Okinawa after dropping Fat Man, not IJ.
Yeah...you are correct about that. I thought I had typed "Okinawa" but I instead typed Iwo Jima because it must have been on my mind. The OP I was responding to mentioned "other islands" so I assumed he was talking about Okinawa as well.
Posted on 7/17/21 at 8:55 pm to RollTide1987
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It also was useful as a staging area for the impending invasion of the Japanese home islands.
Most military planners assumed the allies would have to invade Japan. Thus plans were laid out for Operation Downfall. Most planners didn’t know about the A-bomb. Even if they did know how could they know if it would bring an end to the war with Japan. A massive invasion of the Japanese mainland had to be staged from somewhere relatively close.
Posted on 7/17/21 at 11:50 pm to TigerstuckinMS
Just absolutely nailed it. This is a very accurate assessment of the facts. Very well stated
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