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re: Tesla Battery Swap Demo Thursday.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 1:49 pm to reb13
Posted on 6/21/13 at 1:49 pm to reb13
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Ok no oil changes. Everything else you said has yet to be proven
Huh? The fewer moving parts is a fact, and in almost all cases that will mean fewer mechanical issues. Plus we have over a century of history to look back on to know which requires less maintenance. As for the brake pads, yeah it's a small thing, but with most of the braking being done by the motor to charge the battery (regenerative braking), the brake pads will almost certainly last longer.
But I get what you're saying. Let's just give it a few years and see how the numbers play out.
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Posted on 6/21/13 at 1:50 pm to ZereauxSum
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I know that you are really paying for the convenience of getting in and out quickly, but that is free with gas powered cars.
So you don't pay for your gas ?
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:11 pm to reb13
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When I think about this topic I believe you have to look at "why do I want an electric car?"
So my enemies won't hear me coming.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:23 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Has anyone else tried building a car on the website? I did it a few weeks ago and the most important thing I noticed was that the range drops significantly when you up your average speed. I'm not positive if I remember this right, but I think it only went 300 miles at like 55 mph, then dropped to a little over 200 at 65 mph. Beyond that, It wouldn't tell you the range. I'm not liking a range of ~150 at 70-80 mph.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:36 pm to reb13
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So I'm kind of confused, they said in there that a swap would cost 60 to 80 dollars. How is that saving you money when it only lasts 200 miles?
Charge up overnight at your destination?
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:41 pm to Korkstand
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I think they'll be selling you coffee and lunch and wifi access and other shite while you wait to make up for the $8 in electricity they're handing out.
While that's possible, the supercharger stations have solar panels, so in the long run their electricity costs tend toward zero.
It will be cool when Starbucks covers the parking in their lots with solar-roofed covers. Pull into your spot, step out of the car, plug it in, go eat for 45 minutes, come out to a shade-cool car and drive away.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:43 pm to ortiz1193
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I'm not liking a range of ~150 at 70-80 mph.
Meh, when the government mandates auto-driving google cars, they're all only gonna go 55 tops anyway. Get used to it.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:58 pm to SG_Geaux
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I know that you are really paying for the convenience of getting in and out quickly, but that is free with gas powered cars.
So you don't pay for your gas ?
I think you are misunderstanding.
I pay for gas. I dont pay for ability to pump that gas in a couple of minutes as opposed to an hour. With the supercharging model, you have to pay for both.
I'm not saying that this is not a good idea. I think it is a great idea but a consumer has to look at all the costs and trade offs.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 3:22 pm to ZereauxSum
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I pay for gas. I dont pay for ability to pump that gas in a couple of minutes as opposed to an hour. With the supercharging model, you have to pay for both.
On the flip side, a Tesla owner might ask if your gas vehicle fills up overnight in your garage for a couple bucks? Or in the parking lot while you're at work?
There are tradeoffs, for sure, but everyone is expressing their concerns seemingly without realizing that we are in the first years of EV's starting to become economical. The energy density of batteries has been increasing (and their cost decreasing) at a very consistent and predictable rate for decades, and as with all technologies will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Right now Tesla/Musk are positioning their chess pieces, and I believe 5 years from now almost all new car buyers will seriously consider an all-electric vehicle. The combination of battery swaps at a similar cost per mile as gasoline for when time is of the essence, a nationwide network of superchargers for free recharges during mid-trip pit stops, plus very cheap recharges overnight, wherever you are? Sounds like a worthy competitor to gas if you ask me, especially once Tesla's lower cost model comes out and the total cost of ownership can beat gasoline vehicles in just a few years.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 4:18 pm to Meauxjeaux
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Meh, when the government mandates auto-driving google cars, they're all only gonna go 55 tops anyway. Get used to it.
I would put money that in 10 years autodriving cars will be able to go 100 with a better safety record than the average driver going 55.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 4:32 pm to ortiz1193
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I'm not positive if I remember this right, but I think it only went 300 miles at like 55 mph, then dropped to a little over 200 at 65 mph. Beyond that, It wouldn't tell you the range. I'm not liking a range of ~150 at 70-80 mph.
With the 85kWh battery, you can go 247 miles with the AC on at 65 mph average speed.
Probably 225 or so at 70 mph average.
Posted on 6/21/13 at 8:05 pm to reb13
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So I'm kind of confused, they said in there that a swap would cost 60 to 80 dollars. How is that saving you money when it only lasts 200 miles?
And that's not all. When you swap, if you get a newer battery pack then they bill you a 'warranty fee.' If you would prefer your battery back instead, then they hit you with a 'transit fee.' Plus an $80 swap fee to put yours back in
Those fees have a yet to be determined price tag
Posted on 6/21/13 at 8:22 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Less pad wear is a fact. No air filter changes No fluid changes No fuel filter changes No Transmission to frick up No engine to break down No spark plugs to change
The car does have a transmission, and the Roadster is recommended to have its fluid changed every 30,000 miles. It also has brake pads. And the new model will have liquid cooling instead of air cooling, increasing the maintenance needs because the current model overheats when climbing
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