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re: This is what downtown San Francisco looks like right now

Posted on 11/30/21 at 11:58 am to
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 11:58 am to
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homelessness has definitely increased but its not all that shocking to me given the economic downturn associated with the pandemic.



I guess you don't realize that 99% of homeless are homeless because of their dependency on drugs, do you? And almost 0% of homelessness has to do with someone losing their job due to economic downturn, right? Why don't you do some research since you are a San Fran resident, and listen to Michael Shellenberger and you might understand some of the root cause of homelessness. (He was also on Rogan's podcast if you dont want to read).

Hint: Poor choices, and no accountability/punishment for those choices.
This post was edited on 11/30/21 at 12:00 pm
Posted by 3nOut
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Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 12:15 pm to
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I guess you don't realize that 99% of homeless are homeless because of their dependency on drugs, do you? And almost 0% of homelessness has to do with someone losing their job due to economic downturn, right? Why don't you do some research since you are a San Fran resident, and listen to Michael Shellenberger and you might understand some of the root cause of homelessness. (He was also on Rogan's podcast if you dont want to read).

Hint: Poor choices, and no accountability/punishment for those choices.


Michael Shellenberger has been pretty great on this as of late.

LINK


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Progressives defend their approach as compassionate. Not everybody who is homeless is an addict, they say. Many are just down on their luck. Others turn to drugs after living on the street. What they need is our help. We should not ask people living in homeless encampments to go somewhere else. Homeless shelters are often more dangerous than living on the street. We should provide the people living in tents with money, food, clean needles, and whatever else they need to stay alive and comfortable. And we should provide everyone with their own apartment unit if that’s what they want.

But this “harm reduction” approach is obviously failing. Cities already do a good job taking care of temporarily homeless people not addicted to drugs. Drug dealers stab and sometimes murder addicts who don’t pay. Women forced into prostitution to support their addictions are raped. Addicts are dying from overdose and poisoning. The addicts living in the open drug scenes commit many crimes including open drug use, sleeping on sidewalks, and defecating in public. Many steal to maintain their habits. The hands-off approach has meant that addicts do not spend any amount of time in jail or hospital where they can be off of drugs, and seek recovery.


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One of the claims made by defenders of the open drug scenes is that people who live in them are mostly locals who were priced out of their homes and apartments and decided to pitch a tent on the street. In San Fransicko, I cite a significant body of evidence to show that this is false, and that many people come to San Francisco from around the U.S. for the city’s unusually high cash welfare benefits, free housing, and tolerance of open drug scenes.

The insider agreed. “People come here because they think they can. It’s bullshite that ‘Only 30 percent [of homeless] are from out of town.’ At least 20,000 homeless people come through town every year. Talk to the people on the street. There’s no way 70 percent of the homeless are from here. I would guess it’s fewer than 50 percent. Ask them the name of their high school and they guess, ‘Washington? The one around the corner?’ But you can’t even talk about that without being called a fascist.”


Posted by DEANintheYAY
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 3:15 pm to
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I guess you don't realize that 99% of homeless are homeless because of their dependency on drugs, do you? And almost 0% of homelessness has to do with someone losing their job due to economic downturn, right? Why don't you do some research since you are a San Fran resident,


I’m well aware of the relationship between drugs and homelessness as I see it often (The link to mental health is also robust). But I specifically mentioned the increase in homelessness in recent years because it relates to an exogenous shock that led to thousands of people not being able to work in tourism, restaurants, and bars. To assume that a newly homeless person is only homeless because they are addicted to drug abuse seems flawed. Many people live paycheck to paycheck and when that paycheck stops they often don’t have financial reserves to cover those expenses.

I’ll definitely read up on what Mr. Shellenberger has to say on the topic but my commented was not related to homelessness more generally.
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