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re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)

Posted on 11/20/21 at 12:19 pm to
Posted by nopants
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Posted on 11/20/21 at 12:19 pm to
Another Q/A from him that had some very interesting points:

Question:
One thing I thought you might have an answer to – do you know why Rafe and the writers decided to adapt so few of the book scenes? Episode 1 covers roughly Chapters 1-10 of Eye of the World, but almost nothing from the book makes it into the show. (I think there's the attack on the Al'Thor farmhouse, and a couple of moments with Rand, and that's about it.) Obviously you have to make cuts somewhere, but this feels less like "cutting" and more like "completely replacing".

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So, I have fought hard (but amicably) with Rafe on this very issue multiple times. I have several times said, "There is a perfectly serviceable scene from the books that happens here. Why not use that one?"

The explanations I get involve two primary themes. First theme is that of casting issues and the ensemble nature Rafe is shooting for. Things that are easy in a book are sometimes very difficult in a film, for real world reasons that are annoying. Logistics, casting realities, etc. This requires some changes.

An example of this is that the Wheel of Time eventually becomes a huge ensemble piece. The first book, though, is very Rand-centric. Rafe wanted to accelerate this ensemble feel; it's one of his visions for the story. This, however, requires many new manufactured scenes (some of which are suggested by the books.)

The other big reason he's doing this is for acceleration reasons. He has eight episodes. That's going to require a lot of acceleration. He's got to rewrite scenes in order to accomplish this, because simply doing the same scenes faster leads to disaster. (Watch the Golden Compass film to see why. You end up with people just walking up, spouting dialogue from the books in a non-dymanic way--then cutting to the next one. It's super dull.) Rafe's philosophy seems to be that he needs to construct new scenes that work to accomplish the same things as in the book, but are developed specifically for this type of narrative.

I say seems in that line because I don't want to speak for him. I'm not part of the writer's room; I wasn't there when they brainstormed these changes. I read the scripts in an early state, and offered feedback.

However, you can watch the first three Harry Potter movies to see why sometimes adaptation like this is needed. The first two are very faithful, and are also boring, because the pacing of a book is so different from a film or TV show. The third is much more heavily adapted, and is in my opinion the best of the films.

Game of thrones early seasons show you can adapt more straight across and be successful--but George worked in television, and his scripts are perhaps more naturally matched to that format.

Either way, I had your complaints, but this is one of the things that Rafe persuaded me on. I think this might be the only way he could do Wheel of Time in eight episodes in a way that works. And it's why I've said, for months now, I view this as a new turning of the wheel. It's not an adaptation of the books to me; it's an adaptation of the NEXT time these people are living this story.

Once again, this is just one person's perspective. Rafe can say this better than I do, and perhaps there are things about his motives that I misunderstood.
Posted by PhineasFreakaZoid
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 11/20/21 at 12:30 pm to
Sounds like Rafe didn’t take anyones advice and since Sanderson is a super nice bloke, kind of held back on further complaints and criticisms. Not good when you don’t take the advice of the only living writer left of the WoT series who is privy more to TJ’s thoughts outside of his wife than anyone.

This is definitely Rafe’s per fanfic project and that pisses me off. It’s now right there in interview form that Rafe didn’t want to use any actual novel scenes. He thinks he can do WoT better than both RJ and Sanderson did. Clearly. frick that guy.
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 11/22/21 at 5:12 pm to
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it's why I've said, for months now, I view this as a new turning of the wheel. It's not an adaptation of the books to me; it's an adaptation of the NEXT time these people are living this story.


I think this is the appropriate perspective to have. There are going to be changes.

I hate the line about the dragon being reborn a woman and diversity casting decisions for the sake of diversity, but I can understand why the other changes were made.
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