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re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted on 11/19/21 at 8:30 pm to LoneStarRanger
Posted on 11/19/21 at 8:30 pm to LoneStarRanger
I’m gonna respond to some of your gripes and hopefully change your mind a little bit.
This was done due to the episodes being condensed. The story had to be seriously changed given an 8 episode format. I wish it would have been 10 episodes, but at least it appears to be slowing down dramatically in episode 3.
I dont think this was done to be PC. I think that changing (certain) characters skin tone doesn’t effect the story. Really the only character who had to be white was Rand due to his red hair and connection to the Aiel. Two rivers is essentially a bunch of refugees from Manatheren and other displaced people from the trolloc wars, correct? So i dont think its that crazy for there to be different skin tones present here.
Tuon is not unique because she’s very dark lol. She’s unique because she’s a bald empress from a far off land with a very different culture. They meet tons of sea folk (who are also all black, I think?) before they even meet Tuon.
Rand’s physique is still unique. Were there other redheads I missed? I think you could argue it makes him more unique because of the new skin tones (for better or worse)
I fricking hate the opening scene and the only awkwardness with egwene being considered to be the dragon came from that. Supposed to help with making it less obvious that Rand is the dragon (dont think they did a great job with that anyway)
Needed to provide some character development quickly, and I think they were killing 2 birds with 1 stone to introduce the women’s circle and help with worldbuilding while also helping beef up her character. Personally really liked this scene and also probably one of the best shot/prettiest scenes in first 3 episodes.
Same as egwene. Not a huge fan of creating her character just to immediately kill her lol. BUT I think there may be some more backstory brought in later on due to their weird dialogue from earlier in the episode as well as them hinting at her being pregnant. Really helps establish perrin’s hesitancy to the axe and violence in general.
I am of the opinion that abell was a pretty flat character (more or less a watered down tam) and this change significantly improves a very weak character from book 1 (mat). I really dont think they’re sacrificing much to improve mat’s meh arc from book 1.
Yea cant really argue with you here. I liked them but that’s my opinion.
This was a necessary change due to the episodes being highly condensed. They had to get rid of her because the EF 4 were no longer sneaking off in the night. If they didnt do this then they would have had to significantly change the story. Cause there’s no way in hell nynaeve would have let moraine leave the two rivers with EF 4. This small change allowed them to stay faithful to the series and have nynaeve meet up with lan and moraine at shadar logoth
I think some of yall need to reread EotW. This is by far the worst aspect of this book. The changes they’ve made significantly improve this. BUT I agree with you it’s still pretty obvious. Maybe this will get better in future episodes where they make it seem more likely that other characters could be the dragon.
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Lan and Moraine just announcing who and what they are to the town, rather than it being hidden
This was done due to the episodes being condensed. The story had to be seriously changed given an 8 episode format. I wish it would have been 10 episodes, but at least it appears to be slowing down dramatically in episode 3.
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- diverse town. It's supposed to be a sheltered place where everyone is of a similar background, and closely related. They did this just to be PC
I dont think this was done to be PC. I think that changing (certain) characters skin tone doesn’t effect the story. Really the only character who had to be white was Rand due to his red hair and connection to the Aiel. Two rivers is essentially a bunch of refugees from Manatheren and other displaced people from the trolloc wars, correct? So i dont think its that crazy for there to be different skin tones present here.
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Like Tuon is supposed to be unique. Rand's physique as an Aeil is supposed to be unique.
Tuon is not unique because she’s very dark lol. She’s unique because she’s a bald empress from a far off land with a very different culture. They meet tons of sea folk (who are also all black, I think?) before they even meet Tuon.
Rand’s physique is still unique. Were there other redheads I missed? I think you could argue it makes him more unique because of the new skin tones (for better or worse)
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Saying that the Dragon Reborn could be a boy or a girl. (No need for that, Moraine wanted Egwene for the White Tower, that's it)
I fricking hate the opening scene and the only awkwardness with egwene being considered to be the dragon came from that. Supposed to help with making it less obvious that Rand is the dragon (dont think they did a great job with that anyway)
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Saying Egwene was in the Womens Circle, and inventing some ritual
Needed to provide some character development quickly, and I think they were killing 2 birds with 1 stone to introduce the women’s circle and help with worldbuilding while also helping beef up her character. Personally really liked this scene and also probably one of the best shot/prettiest scenes in first 3 episodes.
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Perrin married. Jeezus
Same as egwene. Not a huge fan of creating her character just to immediately kill her lol. BUT I think there may be some more backstory brought in later on due to their weird dialogue from earlier in the episode as well as them hinting at her being pregnant. Really helps establish perrin’s hesitancy to the axe and violence in general.
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Mat's father some cheating bastard who is dirt poor
I am of the opinion that abell was a pretty flat character (more or less a watered down tam) and this change significantly improves a very weak character from book 1 (mat). I really dont think they’re sacrificing much to improve mat’s meh arc from book 1.
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Trollocs weren't done well
Yea cant really argue with you here. I liked them but that’s my opinion.
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Nynaeve gets kidnapped by a trolloc
This was a necessary change due to the episodes being highly condensed. They had to get rid of her because the EF 4 were no longer sneaking off in the night. If they didnt do this then they would have had to significantly change the story. Cause there’s no way in hell nynaeve would have let moraine leave the two rivers with EF 4. This small change allowed them to stay faithful to the series and have nynaeve meet up with lan and moraine at shadar logoth
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There was no mystery to this. It's all low-brow, on-the-nose. No mystery, no suspense, nothing.
I think some of yall need to reread EotW. This is by far the worst aspect of this book. The changes they’ve made significantly improve this. BUT I agree with you it’s still pretty obvious. Maybe this will get better in future episodes where they make it seem more likely that other characters could be the dragon.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 8:46 pm to Babble
This all sounds like someone grasping at straws, trying to hype a movie they know in their hear is bad.
It’s bad.
I’m a Superman fan, but I don’t like lots of the movies and shows
I’m a flash fan, doesn’t mean I have to like the CW show
I’m a Batman fan, doesn’t mean I have to like Teen Titans or other bad Batman movies like Batman and Robin
I get it. It’s our first and probably only live action we will get from a book we grew up with. But it is bad.
It’s bad.
I’m a Superman fan, but I don’t like lots of the movies and shows
I’m a flash fan, doesn’t mean I have to like the CW show
I’m a Batman fan, doesn’t mean I have to like Teen Titans or other bad Batman movies like Batman and Robin
I get it. It’s our first and probably only live action we will get from a book we grew up with. But it is bad.
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