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re: Calm Down Liberals - No one is coming for your abortions
Posted on 9/6/21 at 12:50 am to Bulldogblitz
Posted on 9/6/21 at 12:50 am to Bulldogblitz
My personal belief is that life does not begin at conception. The potential for life begins at conception but that is not the same thing. A lot can happen between when something goes in and something comes out. You can't know whether or not someone who has an abortion wouldn't have had a miscarriage had they decided differently. Also there is a difference between life and a life. You can argue that life begins when a heartbeat is detected. Whatever, my point of view is that a life begins when that life has suffienctly developed circulatory, respiratory, and digestive systems to a point that it is not dependent upon being attached to a tube that supplies all of these things via the mother. Then it is a separate life from the mother's. Until then it is part of the mother because if the mother doesn't exist, it doesn't exist. That's the pro-choice part of me.
Here is the pro-life part of me. Just because I believe all of the above to be true does not mean that your argument that "being anti-abortion means you are anti-women" makes any sense. So you are telling me that being against a medical procedure that has resulted in millions of women never being born is being anti-women. Are you sure you don't want to think about this a little more?
I've never figured out how to make a consistent argument one way or the other on the subject so I'm fairly whatever about it. I feel it shouldn't be used as a get out of a pregnancy free card but there are a lot of circumstances that fall under a case by case basis for me. What about expectant mothers who are drug addicts? What about people who know they are frick ups and can not handle any meaningful responsibility? Is it fair to dump a child into that environment? I know people will say you can always give the kid up for adoption. I've never understood how you always hear that there are waiting lists of people who have been waiting years to adopt children but their are also orphanages full of children waiting to be adopted. If you believe in the concept of supply and demand then both of those things should not be happening at the same time. I would be more swayed by the adoption angle if there was some kind of guarantee that every one of these unwanted pregnancies would end with an adoption as soon as the real mother gives birth but that does not seem to happen.
The whole issue seems like it tastes like a shite sandwich no matter where I bite into it from. I guess that is why it has never seemed like a particularly vital issue for me to concern myself with compared to other issues of the day.
Here is the pro-life part of me. Just because I believe all of the above to be true does not mean that your argument that "being anti-abortion means you are anti-women" makes any sense. So you are telling me that being against a medical procedure that has resulted in millions of women never being born is being anti-women. Are you sure you don't want to think about this a little more?
I've never figured out how to make a consistent argument one way or the other on the subject so I'm fairly whatever about it. I feel it shouldn't be used as a get out of a pregnancy free card but there are a lot of circumstances that fall under a case by case basis for me. What about expectant mothers who are drug addicts? What about people who know they are frick ups and can not handle any meaningful responsibility? Is it fair to dump a child into that environment? I know people will say you can always give the kid up for adoption. I've never understood how you always hear that there are waiting lists of people who have been waiting years to adopt children but their are also orphanages full of children waiting to be adopted. If you believe in the concept of supply and demand then both of those things should not be happening at the same time. I would be more swayed by the adoption angle if there was some kind of guarantee that every one of these unwanted pregnancies would end with an adoption as soon as the real mother gives birth but that does not seem to happen.
The whole issue seems like it tastes like a shite sandwich no matter where I bite into it from. I guess that is why it has never seemed like a particularly vital issue for me to concern myself with compared to other issues of the day.
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Posted on 9/6/21 at 10:43 am to 88Wildcat
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My personal belief is that life does not begin at conception. The potential for life begins at conception but that is not the same thing. A lot can happen between when something goes in and something comes out. You can't know whether or not someone who has an abortion wouldn't have had a miscarriage had they decided differently
You thought this sounded logical? You can't know the baby won't die at 3 months old have they decided differently. What's that got to do with anything
Posted on 9/6/21 at 12:44 pm to 88Wildcat
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My personal belief is that life does not begin at conception. The potential for life begins at conception but that is not the same thing.
Then when is it? Birth canal? Viability? Because one day in the future, day 1 in utero will be viable.
The fact is, your personal belief is most definitely wrong but neither side has the ability to prove such a thing.
I will err on the side of caution and not killing what could potentially be a human life, baby, whatever you want to call it.
My risk of being wrong is an inconvenience to a mother ( although they still have plenty of options to not be so inconvenienced. And many times those situations work out as a positive in life)
Your risk of being wrong is murdering the most innocent life we have on this planet
Posted on 9/6/21 at 1:50 pm to 88Wildcat
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My personal belief is that life does not begin at conception. The potential for life begins at conception but that is not the same thing. A lot can happen between when something goes in and something comes out. You can't know whether or not someone who has an abortion wouldn't have had a miscarriage had they decided differently.
Human life begins at conception and continues on a continuum through birth until physical death.
Sometimes life is ended in the mother’s womb spontaneously by a miscarriage, or intentionally by means of abortion.
Or a car crash, or a fatal fire, or a gunshot.
Or the infant dies of crib death, leukemia or a horrible accident.
Or the football player dies of heat stroke or his sister or brother dies overseas by a terrorists ID.
Or a middle aged father of three dies of a heart attack or a plant explosion.
Or grandma dies sitting in front of her TV and her husband of 60 years dies a year later quietly in his sleep of weariness and loneliness.
Each of those lives ended as they did, when they did, and each began at conception. There’s no distinction between human life and a human life.
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my point of view is that a life begins when that life has suffienctly developed circulatory, respiratory, and digestive systems to a point that it is not dependent upon being attached to a tube that supplies all of these things via the mother. Then it is a separate life from the mother's. Until then it is part of the mother because if the mother doesn't exist, it doesn't exist.
By that thinking until the infant can sit up, make it’s breakfast and change itself, and drive itself to the pediatrician it’s fair game for the abortion ghouls.
This post was edited on 9/6/21 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:35 pm to 88Wildcat
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My personal belief is that life does not begin at conception. The potential for life begins at conception but that is not the same thing. A lot can happen between when something goes in and something comes out. You can't know whether or not someone who has an abortion wouldn't have had a miscarriage had they decided differently. Also there is a difference between life and a life. You can argue that life begins when a heartbeat is detected. Whatever, my point of view is that a life begins when that life has suffienctly developed circulatory, respiratory, and digestive systems to a point that it is not dependent upon being attached to a tube that supplies all of these things via the mother. Then it is a separate life from the mother's. Until then it is part of the mother because if the mother doesn't exist, it doesn't exist. That's the pro-choice part of me. Here is the pro-life part of me. Just because I believe all of the above to be true does not mean that your argument that "being anti-abortion means you are anti-women" makes any sense. So you are telling me that being against a medical procedure that has resulted in millions of women never being born is being anti-women. Are you sure you don't want to think about this a little more? I've never figured out how to make a consistent argument one way or the other on the subject so I'm fairly whatever about it. I feel it shouldn't be used as a get out of a pregnancy free card but there are a lot of circumstances that fall under a case by case basis for me. What about expectant mothers who are drug addicts? What about people who know they are frick ups and can not handle any meaningful responsibility? Is it fair to dump a child into that environment? I know people will say you can always give the kid up for adoption. I've never understood how you always hear that there are waiting lists of people who have been waiting years to adopt children but their are also orphanages full of children waiting to be adopted. If you believe in the concept of supply and demand then both of those things should not be happening at the same time. I would be more swayed by the adoption angle if there was some kind of guarantee that every one of these unwanted pregnancies would end with an adoption as soon as the real mother gives birth but that does not seem to happen. The whole issue seems like it tastes like a shite sandwich no matter where I bite into it from. I guess that is why it has never seemed like a particularly vital issue for me to concern myself with compared to other issues of the day
Do you believe in God?
This post was edited on 9/6/21 at 2:37 pm
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