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Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:12 am
Posted by cardswinagain
Member since Jun 2013
13263 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:12 am
The events going on in Afghanistan. Perhaps the worst United State foreign policy disaster in history. Our "President" and Vice President, along with any other high ranking official will either not comment or are on vacation. This is absolutely astonishing
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 5:13 am
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
65266 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:13 am to
Stolen elections have consequences
Posted by icheerforgeorgia
Member since Nov 2011
2010 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:17 am to
Trump attempted to negotiate with the Taliban, and then gave up after giving them the target date for our departure, so they could plan, recruit and arm themselves, not to mention the Trump Administration oversaw the release of upwards of 5000 imprisoned Taliban members, many of whom are participating now in the takeover of the country. But sure, it's all Biden's fault.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:18 am to
It’s one thing to have a foreign policy disaster. It’s another for the CIC to be completely AWOL.

fricking clown world.
Posted by SamGinn Cam
Ventura, CA
Member since Jul 2013
2986 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:19 am to
You people are fricking scum
Posted by cardswinagain
Member since Jun 2013
13263 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:20 am to
Trump isn't President. Even the Liberal MSM is going after your boy Biden. You can't defend this failure
Posted by Issa Honk
Let's Go Brandon
Member since Apr 2021
1338 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:20 am to
quote:

Trump attempted to negotiate with the Taliban, and then gave up after giving them the target date for our departure, so they could plan, recruit and arm themselves, not to mention the Trump Administration oversaw the release of upwards of 5000 imprisoned Taliban members, many of whom are participating now in the takeover of the country. But sure, it's all Biden's fault.


Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
17073 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:22 am to
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But sure, it's all Biden's fault.



Biden has been CIC since January which was plenty of time to make some kind of plan for an orderly withdraw. So yes, it is entirely Bidens fault
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:24 am to
Good God man, you really going to blame this on Trump?

First you want to say it was Trump’s plan and blame him but Biden DID NOT follow that plan. He reneged on the deal and that’s why the Afghan forces became demoralized and disarray ensued and the Taliban was able to capitalize.

Blaming Trump is fricking retarded. Biden is the CIC. fricking own it.
Posted by DerekPope
Member since Nov 2020
43 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:24 am to
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"Getting out of Afghanistan is a wonderful and positive thing to do. I planned to withdraw on May 1st..."
quote:

"I made early withdraw possible by already pulling much of our billions of dollars of equipment out and, more importantly, reducing our military presence to less than 2,000 troops from the 16,000 level that was there..."



Posted by icheerforgeorgia
Member since Nov 2011
2010 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:26 am to
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:29 am to
Right. Biden reneged on the original deal, Afghan forces became demoralized, which gave the Taliban time to propagandize, and Afghan forces fell into disarray. Here we are.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
65266 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:29 am to
LINK Yeah, watch this if you think Trump had anything to do with this level of incompetence
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:30 am to
Own it Libby. For once, admit you voted for an atrocity. Stop deflecting.

Take credit for everything. Take blame for nothing.
Posted by pankReb
Defending National Champs Fan
Member since Mar 2009
72161 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:33 am to
quote:


Trump attempted to negotiate with the Taliban, and then gave up after giving them the target date for our departure, so they could plan, recruit and arm themselves, not to mention the Trump Administration oversaw the release of upwards of 5000 imprisoned Taliban members, many of whom are participating now in the takeover of the country. But sure, it's all Biden's fault.



nahhhhhh. When Trump first came into presidency nothing could be blamed on Obama. Trump was President so everything was on HIM.

Biden has been President for 8 months. If it was a bad deal then HE had the power to change the deal.



I'm gonna guess you don't also extend the same logic to giving Trump credit for us having 3 vaccines.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14936 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:35 am to
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Right. Biden reneged on the original deal,

what was the original deal?
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
17073 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:36 am to
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icheerforgeorgia



The desperation is just oozing from this poor sap.
Posted by pankReb
Defending National Champs Fan
Member since Mar 2009
72161 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:39 am to
If Trump's deal was this bad then the leader of the free world should have stepped in at some point over the last 8 months of power and changed it.



So either Trump's deal(your argument...not mine) was absolutely perfect or Biden's administration is absolutely clueless as to foreseeing this and couldn't figure out how to avoid this catastrophe. Which one are you standing by?

He had 8 months to avoid this.
Posted by DerekPope
Member since Nov 2020
43 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:41 am to
quote:

Right. Biden reneged on the original deal, Afghan forces became demoralized, which gave the Taliban time to propagandize, and Afghan forces fell into disarray. Here we are.
trump didnt even included the Afghans in his talks with the taliban, they wouldnt allow it, he made a deal with a terrorist group to leave Afghanistan and the recognized government was not a part of it. but yeah dude, ok, it was Biden who demoralized them.

Posted by RemyLeBeau
Member since Mar 2015
1814 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:41 am to
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Yeah, watch this if you think Trump had anything to do with this level of incompetence


We need that transcript posted here so the progs can tell us what he really meant in those answers.

ETA:
WH.org

quote:

Q Mr. President — do you trust the Taliban, Mr. President?

Q Is a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan now inevitable?

THE PRESIDENT: No, it is not.

Q Why?

THE PRESIDENT: Because you — the Afghan troops have 300,000 well-equipped — as well-equipped as any army in the world — and an air force against something like 75,000 Taliban. It is not inevitable.

Q Do you trust the Taliban, Mr. President? Do you trust the Taliban, sir?

THE PRESIDENT: You — is that a serious question?

Q It is absolutely a serious question. Do you trust the Taliban?

THE PRESIDENT: No, I do not.

Q Do you trust handing over the country to the Taliban?

THE PRESIDENT: No, I do not trust the Taliban.

Q So why are you handing the country over?

Q Mr. President, is the U.S. responsible for the deaths of Afghans after you leave the country?

Q Mr. President, will you amplify that question, please? Will you amplify your answer, please — why you don’t trust the Taliban?

THE PRESIDENT: It’s a — it’s a silly question. Do I trust the Taliban? No. But I trust the capacity of the Afghan military, who is better trained, better equipped, and more re- — more competent in terms of conducting war.

Yes, ma’am.


quote:

Q Mr. President, thank you very much. Your own intelligence community has assessed that the Afghan government will likely collapse.

THE PRESIDENT: That is not true.

Q Is it — can you please clarify what they have told you about whether that will happen or not?

THE PRESIDENT: That is not true. They did not — they didn’t — did not reach that conclusion.

Q So what is the level of confidence that they have that it will not collapse?

THE PRESIDENT: The Afghan government and leadership has to come together. They clearly have the capacity to sustain the government in place. The question is: Will they generate the kind of cohesion to do it? It’s not a question of whether they have the capacity. They have the capacity. They have the forces. They have the equipment. The question is: Will they do it?

And I want to make clear what I made clear to Ghani: that we are not going just sus- — walk away and not sustain their ability to maintain that force. We are. We’re going to also work to make sure we help them in terms of everything from food necessities and other things in — in the region. But — but, there’s not a conclusion that, in fact, they cannot defeat the Taliban.

I believe the only way there’s going to be — this is now Joe Biden, not the intelligence community — the only way there’s ultimately going to be peace and security in Afghanistan is that they work out a modus vivendi with the Taliban and they make a judgment as to how they can make peace.

And the likelihood there’s going to be one unified government in Afghanistan controlling the whole country is highly unlikely.


quote:

Q Mr. President, some Vietnamese veterans see echoes of their experience in this withdrawal in Afghanistan. Do you see any parallels between this withdrawal and what happened in Vietnam, with some people feeling —

THE PRESIDENT: None whatsoever. Zero. What you had is — you had entire brigades breaking through the gates of our embassy — six, if I’m not mistaken.

The Taliban is not the south — the North Vietnamese army. They’re not — they’re not remotely comparable in terms of capability. There’s going to be no circumstance where you see people being lifted off the roof of a embassy in the — of the United States from Afghanistan. It is not at all comparable.


This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 6:12 am
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