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re: On this day 158 years ago, Vicksburg surrendered to Union forces (July 4, 1863)

Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:52 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:52 pm to
The fear caused by secession caused the Feds to overstep the constitution.

Lincoln even imprisoned journalists. The nation never recovered.

Ending slavery is just. Using it as an excuse to expand federal powers beyond what's constitutional is unconscionable.
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
23794 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 6:06 pm to
Lincoln did things he did not have the power to do and things that today would have gotten him impeached convicted and likely locked up. Suspended habeas corpus. Declared martial law and allowed civilians to be tried by military courts.

The man would do anything to preserve the Union. Ending slavery was a means to an end.
Posted by lepdagod
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
3494 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 8:39 pm to
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Ending slavery is just. Using it as an excuse to expand federal powers beyond what's constitutional is unconscionable.


Wait what???… statement makes no sense… Slavery probably one of the only excuses to expand beyond the constitution… obviously the constitution wasn’t outright forbidden slavery
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