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re: On this day 158 years ago, Vicksburg surrendered to Union forces (July 4, 1863)

Posted on 7/5/21 at 12:34 pm to
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
23794 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 12:34 pm to
Exactly right sir. Lincoln was hellbent to preserve the Union and he used slavery like a club to do it. Had he been able to keep the Union intact and slavery also remained he would have done it.
Posted by tigerinexile
NYC
Member since Sep 2004
1277 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 3:01 pm to
If Davis would’ve been allowed to have his day in court we might have got an answer to weather or not secession was legal. The federal government got a taste of unrestricted power and it liked it so no chance for a loss in the court room to take that from them. The handed out pardons like invitations to a birthday party. It’s not hard to see that power flexed in modern times, all those alphabet agencies or a prime example in my opinion. I wonder if Grant would’ve been ok with shooting a mother at the sink holding her child or burning a church full of children. I won’t ask about Sherman because he seems like a fan of such activities.
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 5:42 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262891 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:52 pm to
The fear caused by secession caused the Feds to overstep the constitution.

Lincoln even imprisoned journalists. The nation never recovered.

Ending slavery is just. Using it as an excuse to expand federal powers beyond what's constitutional is unconscionable.
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