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NCAA Football Playoffs (how you think it should go)
Posted on 9/10/08 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 9/10/08 at 11:23 pm
Play the top 8 in the ap poll
week 1
8 play 1
7 play 2
6 play 3
5 play 4
week 2
(A)winner 8-1 play winner 5-4
(B)winner 7-2 play winner 6-3
(C)loser 8-1 play loser 5-4
(D)loser 7-2 play loser6-3
Week 3
winner (A) play winner (B) then you can have your 1 and 2 (nat champ gm)
loser (A) play loser(B)
this is your 3 and 4
winner (C) play winner (D)
this is your 5 and 6
Loser (C) play loser(D)
this is 7 and 8
its late wanted something to do have fun tearing this apart ha ha
week 1
8 play 1
7 play 2
6 play 3
5 play 4
week 2
(A)winner 8-1 play winner 5-4
(B)winner 7-2 play winner 6-3
(C)loser 8-1 play loser 5-4
(D)loser 7-2 play loser6-3
Week 3
winner (A) play winner (B) then you can have your 1 and 2 (nat champ gm)
loser (A) play loser(B)
this is your 3 and 4
winner (C) play winner (D)
this is your 5 and 6
Loser (C) play loser(D)
this is 7 and 8
its late wanted something to do have fun tearing this apart ha ha
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Posted on 9/10/08 at 11:25 pm to twall5104
Cannot be double elimination.
Use existing bowl games for the playoff sites.
Use existing bowl games for the playoff sites.
Posted on 9/10/08 at 11:28 pm to BigLSUNut
Nope using the end result as 4 main bowl games but having the playoffs would allow more money with the higher seed having home field so more home games for some.
Posted on 9/10/08 at 11:28 pm to BigLSUNut
quote:
Cannot be double elimination.
The NFL doesn't even have double elimination.
Posted on 9/10/08 at 11:29 pm to twall5104
Same BCS system except with one tweak--if there are more than 2 teams in the Top 4 BCS spots with undefeated records, then this triggers a special "plus one" playoff season.
#4 plays at #1's home field in mid-December
#3 plays at #2's home field in mid-December
Then the BCS bowls go on as scheduled, with the two winners playing in the BCS NCG, and the two losers getting selected by various other BCS bowls.
#4 plays at #1's home field in mid-December
#3 plays at #2's home field in mid-December
Then the BCS bowls go on as scheduled, with the two winners playing in the BCS NCG, and the two losers getting selected by various other BCS bowls.
This post was edited on 9/10/08 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 9/10/08 at 11:35 pm to twall5104
11 conference champions, 1 at-large ... first two rounds on campus sites, semis, and finals at current BCS bowls. Keep rest of bowl schedule the same.
Posted on 9/10/08 at 11:41 pm to Gmorgan4982
quote:
11 conference champions, 1 at-large ... first two rounds on campus sites, semis, and finals at current BCS bowls. Keep rest of bowl schedule the same.
This is why the current system is lightyears ahead of playoff.
WAC, Sun Belt, MidAmerican, Mt. West, CUSA- champs plus however you factor in Notre Dame over the half of the Top 12.
Posted on 9/10/08 at 11:47 pm to TigerintheNO
Have you seen 1 of the 2 teams allowed in the national title game the last two years? That's a joke.
If you are going to implement a playoff, include conference champions, but not included the Sun Belt, C-USA, MAC, WAC, and Mountain West, then the NCAA needs to end their little charade and drop these conferences down to a lower division and give them their own national champion. Otherwise, if a playoff is decided upon and conference champions are chosen, all conferences should be on a level playing field.
If you are going to implement a playoff, include conference champions, but not included the Sun Belt, C-USA, MAC, WAC, and Mountain West, then the NCAA needs to end their little charade and drop these conferences down to a lower division and give them their own national champion. Otherwise, if a playoff is decided upon and conference champions are chosen, all conferences should be on a level playing field.
Posted on 9/10/08 at 11:53 pm to Doc Fenton
quote:
Same BCS system except with one tweak--if there are more than 2 teams in the Top 4 BCS spots with undefeated records, then this triggers a special "plus one" playoff season.
Likey likey.
I can't stand the thought of CFB shifting to a full playoff. Wouldn't mind a top level playoff clause if needed though. Would be interesting to see how they would handle the different format with the shorter notice/without contractually preplanned games.
I would make one difference though...rather than more than 2 teams undefeated, I would make a cutoff threshold in BCS scores between #2 and #3...would help in cases like 2003.
This post was edited on 9/11/08 at 12:09 am
Posted on 9/11/08 at 12:01 am to Gmorgan4982
quote:
Have you seen 1 of the 2 teams allowed in the national title game the last two years? That's a joke.
Yes, the SEC is better than Ohio St.
quote:
If you are going to implement a playoff, include conference champions, but not included the Sun Belt, C-USA, MAC, WAC, and Mountain West, then the NCAA needs to end their little charade and drop these conferences down to a lower division and give them their own national champion.
The NCAA has a playoff in the FCS, there is not charade.
quote:
all conferences should be on a level playing field.
They aren't, and it isn't even close.
Under your system LSU should drop out of the SEC and join the SunBelt! Schedule OOC the best teams, because it wouldnt matter!
Beat ULM/N.Texas/ULL and we are in a 12 team playoff for the National Championship.
Just win 3 playoff games= National Title!
Posted on 9/11/08 at 12:05 am to TigerintheNO
quote:I'm not sure you got the point of that part of the argument.T
The NCAA has a playoff in the FCS, there is not charade.
quote:Then why keep them in the same subdivision as the BCS conferences?
hey aren't, and it isn't even close.
quote:Would never happen.
Under your system LSU should drop out of the SEC and join the SunBelt!
quote:As opposed to winning the joke of a BCS conference that is the Big Ten and then winning one game?
Just win 3 playoff games= National Title!
This post was edited on 9/11/08 at 12:08 am
Posted on 9/11/08 at 12:07 am to twall5104
Take the 6 BCS conference champions and 4 at large teams based on the polls. The 4 at large teams play in the 1st week as a play in to an 8 team seeded single elimination tourney.
Use the existing BCS bowl sites for the 8 team tourney. All games can be played using the current bowl system.
Use the existing BCS bowl sites for the 8 team tourney. All games can be played using the current bowl system.
This post was edited on 9/11/08 at 12:10 am
Posted on 9/11/08 at 12:27 am to Gmorgan4982
quote:
Under your system LSU should drop out of the SEC and join the SunBelt!
Would never happen.
neither would your proposed playoff, the current system is better.
quote:
Just win 3 playoff games= National Title!
As opposed to winning the joke of a BCS conference that is the Big Ten and then winning one game?
a joke of a BCS conference, a 2nd/3rd/4th place team BCS team, is better than the MAC, MidAmerica, WAC, CUSA, SunBelt, MWest best teams.
Your playoff system "11 conference champions, 1 at-large" would have excluded- UGA, Kansas, Mizzo, AZ State, Texas, BC, Auburn, Florida, Illinois.
But go Fla Atl, CMU!
BTW- the 7th best team in the Big10, Purdue beat the Mid-American Champion in a bowl game.
Posted on 9/11/08 at 12:28 am to TigerintheNO
quote:
They aren't, and it isn't even close.
I think everybody knows this, and the same would be reflected in the "seeding" for the playoffs. Hell, in the NFL there are traditionally "weaker" divisions year in and year out...but that is just part of it. The Sun Belt Champion would have to play the SEC champion in the first round....or whoever else was seeded number one.
I think the idea of a conference champion playoff series makes a lot of sense, and is the only "fair" way to do it.
Posted on 9/11/08 at 12:30 am to TigerintheNO
quote:
Your playoff system "11 conference champions, 1 at-large" would have excluded- UGA, Kansas, Mizzo, AZ State, Texas, BC, Auburn, Florida, Illinois.
Well...if they didn't win their conference championship, they shouldn't be in the running for the national championship anyway, right? You want a shot at the title? Win your friggin division.
Posted on 9/11/08 at 12:37 am to TigerintheNO
quote:First part is true, second part is not.
neither would your proposed playoff, the current system is better.
If they are going to keep the 11 conferences in the FBS, they need to all be on a level playing field. Therefore, all of the conference champions need to be allowed in. Under the current system and other systems proposed here, the opinions of coaches, journalists, and computers, all of whom probably watch roughly the same amount of games, are given an extraordinarily large weight in choosing who goes to the national title game.
Probably the best solution would be to create a new subdivision, somewhere between FCS and FBS, for the Mountain West, MAC, WAC, Sun Belt, C-USA, Army, and Navy and give them their own national champion. Then, just take the six conference champions and put them into a playoff. Until that happens, however, it's not really fair to separate the conferences when determining how to structure a playoff.
quote:Sometimes ... other times they aren't.
a 2nd/3rd/4th place team BCS team, is better than the MAC, MidAmerica, WAC, CUSA, SunBelt, MWest best teams.
quote:Yep
Your playoff system "11 conference champions, 1 at-large" would have excluded- UGA, Kansas, Mizzo, AZ State, Texas, BC, Auburn, Florida, Illinois.
ETA: Actually, Georgia would have made it as the at-large team if you went by the BCS rankings.
quote:They would probably lose in the first round.
But go Fla Atl, CMU!
quote:What does this have to do with anything?
BTW- the 7th best team in the Big10, Purdue beat the Mid-American Champion in a bowl game.
This post was edited on 9/11/08 at 12:40 am
Posted on 9/11/08 at 12:54 am to Gmorgan4982
Read what you just posted-
you are scraping the bowl system (as we know it) to create a playoff system that would include last year-
SEC- LSU
Big 10- Ohio St.
ACC- VA Tech
Big 12- OU
Big East- WV
Pac-10- USC
and then-
Sun Belt- Fla Atl
Wac- Hawaii
Mid American- Central Michigan
Mt West- BYU
CUSA- Central Fla
At large- ????
if the best playoff system you can come up with includes- Hawaii, Fla Atl, UFC,CUM, BYU as 1/2 of the teams, none of which finished in the top 10, maybe top 15. I would rather the current system.
you are scraping the bowl system (as we know it) to create a playoff system that would include last year-
SEC- LSU
Big 10- Ohio St.
ACC- VA Tech
Big 12- OU
Big East- WV
Pac-10- USC
and then-
Sun Belt- Fla Atl
Wac- Hawaii
Mid American- Central Michigan
Mt West- BYU
CUSA- Central Fla
At large- ????
if the best playoff system you can come up with includes- Hawaii, Fla Atl, UFC,CUM, BYU as 1/2 of the teams, none of which finished in the top 10, maybe top 15. I would rather the current system.
Posted on 9/11/08 at 1:00 am to TigerintheNO
An even bigger problem is that such a system would require extraordinary new regulatory powers by the NCAA playoff committee to decide what athletic conferences can and cannot do.
Why shouldn't FSU or Miami just leave the ACC immediately and join the Sun Belt Conference or CUSA? Who's going to stop them? And do you really want somebody who has enough power to stop them in the first place?
Why shouldn't FSU or Miami just leave the ACC immediately and join the Sun Belt Conference or CUSA? Who's going to stop them? And do you really want somebody who has enough power to stop them in the first place?
Posted on 9/11/08 at 1:02 am to Gmorgan4982
quote:
If they are going to keep the 11 conferences in the FBS, they need to all be on a level playing field.
EDIT: CFB communism is a bad idea.
This post was edited on 9/11/08 at 1:04 am
Posted on 9/11/08 at 1:02 am to Doc Fenton
quote:
Why shouldn't FSU or Miami just leave the ACC immediately and join the Sun Belt Conference or CUSA? Who's going to stop them? And do you really want somebody who has enough power to stop them in the first place?
I've already stated that LSU should leave the SEC and join the Sun Belt. We would only have to win 3 playoff games to be the NC.
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