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re: Vatican Warns U.S. Bishops About Denying Communion To Supporters Of Abortion Rights
Posted on 5/11/21 at 10:37 pm to Perfect Circle
Posted on 5/11/21 at 10:37 pm to Perfect Circle
I'm not going to take the side of the Vatican on this one, because I do disagree, however, it is more nuanced than people want it to be.
There is a difference between supporting choices, including the choice to sin - which is what free will requires, and actually sinning. If Biden et al were proven to have committed/decided on an actual abortion within their own control, they would be denied - as they should be.
The question for the Vatican is, do we put politicians on a higher pedestal that their opinion is more relevant than someone else's, does it have more weight and are they more responsible for allowing this choice?
Anyone raising issue here, Catholic or not, needs to look at this on a scale related to contraception. Most people would believe that contraception is not "as bad," that someone who supports allowing contraception isn't necessarily sinning, even if they don't use contraception.
Look, the current Vatican is problematic, but it is human. It's still The Church, and there is a thread where this kind of decision can be relatively defended, even if morally any good Catholic would believe this is the wrong choice.
There is a difference between supporting choices, including the choice to sin - which is what free will requires, and actually sinning. If Biden et al were proven to have committed/decided on an actual abortion within their own control, they would be denied - as they should be.
The question for the Vatican is, do we put politicians on a higher pedestal that their opinion is more relevant than someone else's, does it have more weight and are they more responsible for allowing this choice?
Anyone raising issue here, Catholic or not, needs to look at this on a scale related to contraception. Most people would believe that contraception is not "as bad," that someone who supports allowing contraception isn't necessarily sinning, even if they don't use contraception.
Look, the current Vatican is problematic, but it is human. It's still The Church, and there is a thread where this kind of decision can be relatively defended, even if morally any good Catholic would believe this is the wrong choice.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 10:40 pm
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Posted on 5/12/21 at 3:18 am to Freauxzen
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I'm not going to take the side of the Vatican on this one, because I do disagree, however, it is more nuanced than people want it to be.
There is a difference between supporting choices, including the choice to sin - which is what free will requires, and actually sinning. If Biden et al were proven to have committed/decided on an actual abortion within their own control, they would be denied - as they should be.
The question for the Vatican is, do we put politicians on a higher pedestal that their opinion is more relevant than someone else's, does it have more weight and are they more responsible for allowing this choice?
Anyone raising issue here, Catholic or not, needs to look at this on a scale related to contraception. Most people would believe that contraception is not "as bad," that someone who supports allowing contraception isn't necessarily sinning, even if they don't use contraception.
Look, the current Vatican is problematic, but it is human. It's still The Church, and there is a thread where this kind of decision can be relatively defended, even if morally any good Catholic would believe this is the wrong choice.
As a recent Catholic convert, I have to agree with everything you said here.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 4:45 am to Freauxzen
These politicians not only allowed abortions, they openly campaign to allow them. That’s more than a passing interest, they have a direct hand in this.
As Jesus said if you dwell on the sin, you have committed the sin. To get to this point, they have obviously dwelled on this.
As Jesus said if you dwell on the sin, you have committed the sin. To get to this point, they have obviously dwelled on this.
Posted on 5/12/21 at 5:10 am to Freauxzen
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If Biden et al were proven to have committed/decided on an actual abortion within their own control, they would be denied - as they should be.
This is kind of like splitting hairs. What is the difference in supporting someone's right to sin and condoning sin?
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The question for the Vatican is, do we put politicians on a higher pedestal that their opinion is more relevant than someone else's, does it have more weight and are they more responsible for allowing this choice?
The obvious answer to this question is "yes".
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