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re: Hypothetical for the 49ers. Jimmy G has a great year
Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:15 pm to RemouladeSawce
Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:15 pm to RemouladeSawce
I hear you. But also they have a great record when he is starting. It’s easy to say it’s not because of him, and it’s obviously true to a degree, but when he starts they win games. But yea, you touched on the big issue which is his health. I think they just can’t see him stay healthy, but if he does, it will be interesting.
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:16 pm to sabes que
quote:Jimmy was older at time of first NFCCG and had about just about the best possible upbringing as a QB. Smith had about the worst possible. They both have/had the same consistent ceiling - Top 10-15.
Jimmy G has already won an NFC championship and is younger(I believe) and has more upside that Alex Smith at that time
quote:The fans are ready to move on. They've over coming that close (2011, 2012, 2013, 2019) and the QB letting them down when it matters most.
It just seems like a harder sell to the fans though
Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:28 pm to RemouladeSawce
Yea, I know you’re right that their fans are down on him, but winning can heal a lot of wounds. And I know they obviously believe in Lance. But man, in college he basically was asked to run through huge holes and then truck 170 pound db’s that probably run in the 4.8’s. He basically wasn’t asked to pass at all outside of some play action and then throw to a designed guy in most cases. He threw for 2800 yards in 16 games, and yea they won the championship, but they always do. Could he be great? Sure, but you are drafting 100% on potential with him.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:35 pm to sabes que
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think they just can’t see him stay healthy, but if he does, it will be interesting.
Not really that interesting
they would simply trade him next offseason or keep him for another year if Lance is a train wreck This post was edited on 5/4/21 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:37 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:So that wouldn’t get interesting?
or keep him for another year if Lance is a train wreck
Posted on 5/4/21 at 6:14 pm to sabes que
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So that wouldn’t get interesting?
Not in relation to Jimmy G being good, no.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 6:21 pm to wildtigercat93
How successful Jimmy G is definitely impacts this situation. What if Lance isn’t a train wreck but isn’t great, or what if they were to win the Super Bowl, how good Jimmy G plays does matter, as well as Lance in the preseason and any PT in the regular.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 6:27 pm to sabes que
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How successful Jimmy G is definitely impacts this situation.
Not really. There isn’t a realistic scenario outside of off the field issues for Lance than he isn’t the starter sooner rather than later
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What if Lance isn’t a train wreck but isn’t great, or what if they were to win the Super Bowl,
Then you’ve won a Super Bowl and you have a great problem to have. I don’t think they are too concerned with that possibility either way. Likely get a massive haul for a Super Bowl winning QB and turn the page to Lance. Or trade Lance if they somehow become convinced Jimmy is a top 5 QB.
It’s a pretty simple equation for them, unless Jimmy transforms to a completely different QB overnight, Lance will get the start the minute they think he can handle it.
Play the what if game all you want but, there’s infinitely more interesting and more likely scenarios to ponder about
Posted on 5/4/21 at 6:31 pm to wildtigercat93
You responded as if I used and when I used or. But my point is if they were to have extreme success with Jimmy G, it would be difficult to go away from him and would essentially lose their arse on the Lance trade. So they are essentially betting on Jimmy G to get hurt and Lance to be good(speaking in regards to the trade)
Posted on 5/4/21 at 6:33 pm to sabes que
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So they are essentially betting on Jimmy G to get hurt and Lance to be good(speaking in regards to the trade)
They are betting either Jimmy to get hurt (which I believe he has for literally every season except 1) or for Jimmy to be Jimmy, which is a middle of the road starter (which is a near certainty)
So again their worst case scenario that you’ve built out is that they overpaid for Lance and got a Super Bowl win out of it? Wow poor 49ers
Posted on 5/4/21 at 6:33 pm to sabes que
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What happens if Jimmy G stays healthy, has a good statistical year, and they go to the NFC Championship or better.
They might be able to get a 1st for him in the offseason.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 6:37 pm to molsusports
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A big problem with the present NFL is even the middle tier quarterbacks get enough money to frick up the cap numbers.
That's because GMs are terrified to make a change. The Browns are next up here. Will they really commit $40M/year to Baker Mayfield and then go back to mediocrity?
Posted on 5/4/21 at 6:42 pm to wildtigercat93
If either Lance weren’t good or Jimmy G doesn’t get hurt(which will mean them winning a lot of games), then they overpaid big time, and lost the trade. How much confidence do you have in Lance being good?
Posted on 5/4/21 at 6:43 pm to VADawg
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That's because GMs are terrified to make a change.
Not really. The salaries are that high because the number of viable starters are so low and there’s always a good number of teams looking or even being desperate for a change
Most if not all of the QBs that sign extensions with their teams, sign at a discounted rate compared to what they would sign for on an open market.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 6:44 pm to sabes que
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If either Lance weren’t good or Jimmy G doesn’t get hurt(which will mean them winning a lot of games), then they overpaid big time, and lost the trade.
But again this scenario you’ve built means they’ve won the Super Bowl. Sounds pretty good to me, you can shite on me all you want about a bad trade if that team ended up winning a SB, who gives a shite
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How much confidence do you have in Lance being good?
Really makes no difference what I think of Lance. 49ers made it clear what they think of him and what they think of Jimmy
Posted on 5/4/21 at 6:50 pm to wildtigercat93
I am not saying both Lance would have to be bad and the 49ers would have to do well for it to be a bad trade. So that’s not what I’m “building”, it’s an either or, and it would have been a bad trade.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 6:54 pm to sabes que
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am not saying both Lance would have to be bad and the 49ers would have to do well for it to be a bad trade. So that’s not what I’m “building”, it’s an either or, and it would have been a bad trade.
As I said previously if Lance is bad, the Jimmy part really has nothing to do with anything
At some point they will turn the page to Lance. That will happen.
I’m not sure what’s particularly interesting about this specific QB possibly not panning out or that trade not panning out vs the other rookie QBs possibly doing the same thing
Posted on 5/4/21 at 6:55 pm to sabes que
Of he takes them to the NFC Championship game then that will be a good bargaining chip for his next contract with another team
Posted on 5/4/21 at 7:19 pm to wildtigercat93
Well they gave up a ton of capital to move up, that combined with having a guy that had you a play or two away from a Super Bowl win makes it a little more interesting that Trevor Lawrence at the Jags, or Zach Wilson at the Jets, etc.
Posted on 5/4/21 at 7:27 pm to sabes que
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Well they gave up a ton of capital to move up, that combined with having a guy that had you a play or two away from a Super Bowl win makes it a little more interesting that Trevor Lawrence at the Jags, or Zach Wilson at the Jets, etc.
Okay but again the Jimmy hypothetical doesn’t really have anything to do with this if it happens
The 49ers coaches and FO are well aware that if Lance doesn’t pan out than they are likely fired. They took a swing.
You’ve basically made a thread that goes “what happens if Tre Lance is a bust?”, which as I stated originally, isn’t that interesting of a hypothetical, we know where that story leads as well
This post was edited on 5/4/21 at 7:28 pm
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