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re: So Alabama seems to lead for UT LB Henry To’oto’o
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:09 pm to misey94
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:09 pm to misey94
quote:My personal opinion is that this isn't the best approach. The ethics involved aren't that bad IMHO... IF used in what I would call a "moderated approach" and not used to just filter out players that aren't going to make the 2-deep to keep the cycle going. I guess one way of putting it is the ethics violations don't really cross into amoral grounds. There should be a do-not-cross line between unethical and amoral for sure. But short of that line- should be open to discussion on a case by case basis.
A prominent 247 poster has said LSU knows exactly how Bama is doing it but refuses to operate that way so it's a matter of ethics and probably not so much about rules and compliance.
Say for example a player truly didn't recover fully from an injury and is never going to be a starter, stayed eligible, and put out before the injury. He should not be subject to medical schollie remediation. That should even go for #3's. But take any of those three away, especially the putting out part, should be fair game.
quote:I also see that slightly differently. While I don't really disagree, I'd like the loopholes to stay AND be used by us so I can't really take that position.
If that’s the case, then LSU needs to reach out to other programs affected by this that say they want higher standards, like Clemson, and lobby the NCAA hard to remove every loophole. Lock everything down. No more than 25 signees and no more than 2 holdov
However, I do think instead of eliminating loopholes and locking everything down (because some of that would be almost as unfair to other players in reality), since LSU think the way such loopholes are being used by teams like Bama is unethical we should damn well be publicizing it. There are outlets out there that provide an avenue that don't suck Saban's dick that would love to pursue that.
The problem is, glass houses and all. We obviously aren't squeaky clean and if it resulted in an all out media war between SEC schools, the SEC would step in to shut down the initiating school... and that would be us. Not the Gumps.
On the other hand, rehashed stories (very little new information) regarding LSU with misleading headlines seem to come out at the worst possible times regarding recruiting as it stands now. We're already on the receiving end of such. We should fight fire with fire as far as I'm concerned. Playing nice, the high road, and being "more ethical" only invites more of that in my experience.
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Posted on 2/12/21 at 10:02 am to I20goon
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However, I do think instead of eliminating loopholes and locking everything down (because some of that would be almost as unfair to other players in reality), since LSU think the way such loopholes are being used by teams like Bama is unethical we should damn well be publicizing it. There are outlets out there that provide an avenue that don't suck Saban's dick that would love to pursue that. The problem is, glass houses and all. We obviously aren't squeaky clean and if it resulted in an all out media war between SEC schools, the SEC would step in to shut down the initiating school... and that would be us. Not the Gumps.
That’s why I think lobbying for rules changes is the better path. It takes away some of Saban’s advantages in a way that also affects you and every other P5 school equally, but doesn’t really hurt you as much. If you aren’t already using the tactics you are attacking, then you are less open to retaliation in the court of public opinion. It’s easy to take the high ground and hold it using this approach. Any mud slinging by a Bama and others would just look like an attempt at deflection from the issue.
It’s a position of convenience, like Apple championing data privacy. Using personal data isn’t core to their business, but it is for some of their competitors. So now they use that position to attack their competition and hurt them using a positive campaign for something with some public appeal. It applies to them equally, but doesn’t hurt them since data harvesting isn’t core to their business the way it does Amazon, Google or Facebook.
Like you said, if you just go on a media assault over these tactics without a goal for changing them, you open yourself up for counterattack on anything negative that can be thrown back at you. When you lead negative, negative retaliation will be expected. As for the SEC, going to the NCAA directly leaves them with little recourse for retaliation. And what can they say? Recruiting reform wouldn’t be a good thing?
As for the real ethics of it all, I’m not as concerned about that. Most of these kids are getting paid or given all kinds of gifts and advantages. It’s all part of the game. I just see this as a way to attack Bama’s recruiting advantages. If LSU can’t make the same use of them that Bama can (and let’s face it, no one can right now), then they should do anything in their power to neutralize them. Championing reform lets you do that from a positive angle, rather than making it look like a direct attack on your target.
This post was edited on 2/12/21 at 10:08 am
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