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re: Russell Wilson’s camp has grown frustrated by the Seahawks inability to protect him
Posted on 2/9/21 at 6:03 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 2/9/21 at 6:03 pm to lsupride87
quote:It's not useless. It gives good insight when put next to pressured/hurried numbers. The only thing differentiating a sack on a blown protection and a sack due to the QB holding the ball for 5 seconds before this was film study. Now there's a stat that bridges that gap. I don't consider it a "main" stat, but it does add useful context.
Simply counting anytime a QB isn’t hit under 2.5 seconds as a win by the o line is useless
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Posted on 2/9/21 at 6:05 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:That's not how that works. You don't cherry pick smaller sample sizes to try to disprove a larger study.
Yeah because it shows the flaws of the data that it is collecting.
quote:So you're just an a-hole. Got it.
Again I think you need to realize that’s what message boards are built on.
Don’t want an argument, don’t post.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 6:07 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:
Look I understand you’re an idiot but you don’t have to keep proving it. I believed it the first time.
Is your contention that being good when it doesnt count is better than being good when it counts?
Thats at least the basis of a valid argument
Posted on 2/9/21 at 6:11 pm to Drewbie
quote:
That's not how that works. You don't cherry pick smaller sample sizes to try to disprove a larger study.
It’s not cherry picking, it’s putting the stat to the test to determine if it holds up to what it claims to judge
If the stat can be that off for a 1 game sample size, then it should raise questions about the 16 game sample size.
If I were to judge how long the average house hold watches TV, and I did it simply by counting how many TVs were in everyone’s house, more data doesn’t make the stat more correct, it just continues the flawed logic of the original experiment to measure what I am trying to measure
Posted on 2/9/21 at 6:11 pm to TEOTWAWKI
quote:Kirk Cousins and Case Keenum have made it further in the playoffs the last few years
Is your contention that being good when it doesnt count is better than being good when it counts?
Thats at least the basis of a valid argument
You are saying they are better than Wilson
Posted on 2/9/21 at 6:12 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:It's quite literally the definition of cherry picking.
It’s not cherry picking
quote:Again, it being "off" is purely your opinion.
If the stat can be that off for a 1 game
Posted on 2/9/21 at 6:12 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:
Seahawks' rank in pass block grade during Russell Wilson's career, starting with 2012:
19
30
25
30
32 (!!)
30
18
30
20
If you're scoring at home, that's FIVE seasons with a bottom-3 offensive line. Russell Wilson absolutely has the right to be frustrated.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 6:13 pm to Drewbie
quote:
Again, it being "off" is purely your opinion.
I’ve given you real verified pressure stats while you’ve giving me “yeah it felt like around 40 percent of the time he was getting pressure. That sounds right to me” in response
Which one is the opinion again?
Posted on 2/9/21 at 6:14 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:And you're the retard that still thinks they're the same stat after all this time.
I’ve given you real verified pressure stats while you’ve giving me “yeah it felt like around 40 percent of the time he was getting pressure. That sounds right to me” in response
Posted on 2/9/21 at 6:15 pm to Drewbie
quote:
And you're the retard that still thinks they're the same stat after all this time.
I understand they are different stats.
One is a silly way to judge an Offensive lines performance, and the other is a pretty accurate way to judge a Olines performance
They contradict each other
Posted on 2/9/21 at 6:15 pm to wildtigercat93
So he actually had better pass blocking this year than the fluke Super Bowl win. But he has regressed so far as to be irrelevant.
You make a good point.
You make a good point.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 6:16 pm to TEOTWAWKI
My guy I’m not biting so find someone else to troll
Posted on 2/9/21 at 6:19 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:Except they don't. They compliment each other. One stat encompasses what is considered to be an adequate amount of time for an OL to give a QB to read the D and make a decision with the ball. The other doesn't take anything else into account other than whether or not the QB was bothered, regardless of how long he had to be protected or where. You put those two together to find out where your issues are.
They contradict each other
Posted on 2/9/21 at 6:24 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:
My guy I’m not biting so find someone else to troll
I do not know why facts trigger you so much
Posted on 2/9/21 at 8:35 pm to lsupride87
quote:
What was the Seahawks line ranking on PFF?
14th overall; 16th in pass blocking, but while will mention in the footnotes that Russell Wilson is responsible for 25-40 of the sacks he takes, they never factor that into the offensive line grade.
It’s gotta be infuriating for those guys to block for 5-7 seconds and russ not do shite with it and then when he gets sacked, you take the L for it.
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