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re: Anyone else concerned about Ingram?

Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:32 pm to
Posted by Bronc
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Posted on 2/2/21 at 3:32 pm to
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Are we playing without our best player for half the season?
Are we playing without 3 starters for half the season?

We don't have these legitimate excuses. Hell this feels like the healthiest we've been in 10 years.
Our excuses are the same exact excuses the Rockets could be making, but they aren't.



What about having zero continuity and a shitty, non-complimentary roster is not a legitimate excuse to be bad?

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Our roster does stink. SO does the Rockets. So does the worst 3 poitn shooting team 2 years in a row Grizzlies. Yes they aren't a bottom 5 team like us.



Christian Wood is a 23-11 fringe all-star and likely most improved player winner, PJ Tucker is another unicorn that can hit 40% on threes and defend centers or small forwards, John Wall is shooting the best of his career and barely looks to have lost a step from the Achilles, and Victor Oladipo is a vet allstar. That is a VERY solid and COMPLIMENTARY starting unit. They have the best version of Cousins we have seen since his injury, Eric Gordon averaging 17 a game on good shooting, and guys like McLemore hitting 41% on 4 three attempts a game coming off their bench vs Hayes, Hart, and NAW for us.

In what fricking world do you think our roster is more cohesive and better than the Rockets? In what world does that roster even stink???? It's a legit 6-8 seed roster if healthy. Would have been the most cohesive and best roster Harden would have had in years.

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That's what winners say. Losers make excuses.



So then why are you making endless excuses for these other teams and denying them for the Pels?

Either variables are valid to consider or they aren't. If you only want to accept them one way it's because you are trying to make a confirmation biased derived argument.

Fact is Pelicans have had a top 5 SOS, an absolutely brutal road trip, teams like the Heat have lost, when healthy, to guys like Charlotte just yesterday, at home, with rest. And we have a non-complimentary roster, no continuity, and the 6th youngest team in the league. A slow, sometimes painful first half of the season, and frustrations through the end, with the possibility of another lottery, should have always been in the cards, and if you didn't have it in there, that's on your expectations.

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You can't tell me any rational person expected us to be this bad, bottom 4 bad. It's one thing to have an expectation to struggle and finish as a 35 win team, it's another to finish with sub 30 wins. You're a pathetic team if you can't even win 30 games, assuming an 82 game schedule.


Maybe if you spent less time making excuses for why the roster would magically have good spacing instead of just accepting the reality I and people like Zach Lowe tried to point out before the season started, you could have avoided this melt by recognizing that our potential struggles were always there to see if you weren't just wanting to live in a world of sunshine pumping with rose-colored glasses on...

The harm from the lack of continuity is worse than even I thought, but I said in the schedule thread we would come back from that road trip below .500, that from there a lot would come down to how teams like PHO, SAS, and HOU look, and all look better than I think anyone anticipated. I said the range was from around.500 ball after the first 36 games to maybe going on a run after the road trip depending on how bad those teams and others look...And unfortunately, they don't look as bad as I hoped.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 3:38 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/2/21 at 4:26 pm to
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What about having zero continuity and a shitty, non-complimentary roster is not a legitimate excuse to be bad?



Yeah, b/c we are the only team with this zero continuity excuse, whatever that means, or a shitty non-complimentary roster. The Grizz were the wrost 3 point shooting team last year, and aren't much better this year, yet they aren't bitching about spacing or being a bottom 4 team.

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Christian Wood is a 23-11 fringe all-star and likely most improved player winner,


we have a guy that actually made an all star team.

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PJ Tucker is another unicorn that can hit 40% on threes and defend centers or small forwards,

He's just one defender. Steven Adams is just as good a defender. Tucker can only make 3's from the corner, literally. Over 75% of his threes the last 3 years have been taken from the corner. He's not some unicorn 3 point shooter. He's basically Bruce Bowen, can literally only shoot from the corner.

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John Wall is shooting the best of his career

So is Bledsoe
And John Wall has missed 7 games this year, and the Rockets are 2-5 in those games.

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That is a VERY solid and COMPLIMENTARY starting unit


Sure its solid, but it has ZERO continuity, or does that not matter b/c they are winning?

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They have the best version of Cousins we have seen since his injury, Eric Gordon averaging 17 a game on good shooting, and guys like McLemore hitting 41% on 4 three attempts a game coming off their bench


Cousins has looked terrible. EG has shot under his career 3P% for 4 years in a row now. His 3 best years of his career from 3 were the last 3 in New Orleans, and he's been no where hear that from since then. McLemore probably won't be in the league next year.


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In what fricking world do you think our roster is more cohesive and better than the Rockets? In what world does that roster even stink???? It's a legit 6-8 seed roster if healthy. Would have been the most cohesive and best roster Harden would have had in years.


I don't think either roster is that well constructed. But one team is playing much better than the other.


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So then why are you making endless excuses for these other teams and denying them for the Pels?



i'm literally saying that those teams aren't making excuses, even though they have some to make. You're making excuses for our shortcomings, and i'm pointing out that other teams are facing similar issues, and many of them worst issues than we are, yet aren't losing like us.



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Maybe if you spent less time making excuses for why the roster would magically have good spacing instead of just accepting the reality I and people like Zach Lowe tried to point out before the season started, you could have avoided this melt by recognizing that our potential struggles were always there to see if you weren't just wanting to live in a world of sunshine pumping with rose-colored glasses on...



I'm just not one to accept excuses when your healthy. It's one thing if you are having to play games without your full team, especially when starters are missing big chunks of games. We've been one of the least affected teams in the league by injuries and covid BS. What we are doing is unexplainable. We had a 30 point lead in the 3rd quarter against the Buck and won by 4. How many games have we had where we had double digit leads only to lose by double digits? How come we can play 2-3 quarters of good offense, and then just completely shite the bed? Explain to me how we can not have spacing issues for half the game, but then have spacing issues for the other half, and they be so apparent that they give us zero chance to win?


Do you not find this odd?
We are 4th in the league in 1st quarter scoring. We are 3rd in opponents scoring, meaning 3rd best at defense.
We are 28th in 2nd quarter scoring. 29th on defense.
We are 25th in 3rd quarter scoring. 24th on defense.
We are 12th in 4th quarter scoring. 11th on defense.

How can we come out great almost every game, then be terrible the rest of the way?
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