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re: Equity vs Equality... someone help me out

Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:18 pm to
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:18 pm to
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Let's think of an example that works, imagine a bunch of rich elite liberals in Baton Rouge, and a few good upstanding country farm boys in the little settlement of Ethel. Let's say 90% of the disgusting Baton Rouge liberals can afford to get their kids a Bible, and only 25% of the poor farmers in Ethel can do the same. Baton Rouge's population is 224,149, so 22,414 kids go Godless. Ethel's population is 3,584, so 2,688 kids go Godless.

A generation later, and all the kids in Ethel are little Satanists! The 10% of kids in Baton Rouge who didn't have Bibles still had friends who did, and they steered them back to the light. The kids in Ethel weren't as lucky, because more than half of them had no such holy scripture.

The local parish steps in, and they can only afford 10,000 Bibles, so they send 8,930 (89.3%) Bibles to Baton Rouge, and 1,070 (10.7%) of the Bibles to Ethel. After all, it's by the numbers!

But now, an Ethel family says. Those damn liberals in Baton Rouge! Why did they get all the Bibles? We have it worse here! They ought to send us even more Bibles, because our kids are the ones deep in the Stank of Satan!

It's more than equity in the moment, it's the fact that most black people's grandparents or parents lived in radically different times than white people's did, and that has absolutely ruined their current place by no fault of their own. I mean, damn, my mom was the first white student at the school in my hometown. That is NOT that long ago!

Disagreeing with this stuff is just the same old "I got mine, forget everyone else" mentality, the same mentality of people who only care about things when it affects them personally. Oh and about the metaphor I used, if you're not a Bible person, replace the Bibles with guns and the kids turning to Satan with...I guess the kids turning into vegans.




You're making the assumption that the Bible is the only way out of being a Satanist. Which doesn't stack up, as does the original picture show.

In any case, Let's flip the script on your example. Let's say that the Liberals in Baton Rouge have Bibles, but only 1% make the kids read their Bibles. However, in Ethel, 100% of Parents make their kids read it. Which place is better off in that case?

The problem is that you, and all equity arguments, automatically equate resources with equity. And that's why this becomes a class struggle, and that's why this always turns into taking from someone, because it's simply a resource argument.

When looking at the picture, it's probably better to show equality as giving each person the same tools and materials to make a box, or a structure to stand on. In that case, think about each person, and what they would have to do to "See the action" on the field. That's equality, that should be America. We should all get the same tools with limitless circumstances. We shouldn't get the same setup or resource, that's impossible.

Yes, the kid on the end can make a box and see the action, or he can make a ladder and see above everyone else, but some people have to figure out how to make a better structure. That takes work, it takes a supportive culture, etc. But that doesn't mean you can just keep taking the resources from someone else, that's unfair.

This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 9:20 pm
Posted by Microtiger
Ithaca, New York
Member since Nov 2010
1435 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:26 pm to
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You're making the assumption that the Bible is the only way out of being a Satanist. Which doesn't stack up, as does the original picture show.

In any case, Let's flip the script on your example. Let's say that the Liberals in Baton Rouge have Bibles, but only 1% make the kids read their Bibles. However, in Ethel, 100% of Parents make their kids read it. Which place is better off in that case?

The problem is that you, and all equity arguments, automatically equate resources with equity. And that's why this becomes a class struggle, and that's why this always turns into taking from someone, because it's simply a resource argument.

When looking at the picture, it's probably better to show equality as giving each person the same tools and materials to make a box, or a structure to stand on. In that case, think about each person, and what they would have to do to "See the action" on the field. That's equality, that should be America. We should all get the same tools with limitless circumstances. We shouldn't get the same setup or resource, that's impossible.

Yes, the kid on the end can make a box and see the action, or he can make a ladder and see above everyone else, but some people have to figure out how to make a better structure. That takes work, it takes a supportive culture, etc. But that doesn't mean you can just keep taking the resources from someone else, that's unfair.


Your idea of also adding a percentage of parents that actually make their kids read the Bibles is a good point, but it muddies the metaphor again. To then make it all work, though, the disadvantaged community needs both of the factors going against them. But let's forget the Bible thing altogether, because I like where you went with the "building your own box" thing.

I totally agree! But assume in the metaphor that the kid on the end isn't a kid, but a midget. It still works for the kid, but you'll just say the kid will grow out of it, so let's say it's a midget. He's shorter than everyone else, for a reason he can't do anything about; THAT is the whole point. The midget will have to build something that the others don't have to build, and all the time and effort the midget puts into building that box the others have put into building other things that help them out even more. There's only so many hours in a day, and the midget will always be playing catch up with the building, even if they all have the same tools and materials.

By the way - genuine thanks for engaging legitimately, and you made really good points.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 9:28 pm
Posted by 20 ton
BR
Member since Aug 2013
818 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:04 pm to
I found it funny that Susan Rice started the press conference talking about her grandparents immigrating from Jamaica. Her being a cabinet member and a serious contender for vp is equality.

Every black person not having what every white peron has is their version of lack of equity.

My two kids were basically given the same opportunity.. One is a petroleum engineer and the other works for the state. Do I expect them to to earn the same financial equity.

I just hope they are happy and the country doesn’t go down the road we’re on.

Obama tried to help black equity with the home loan fiasco. Giving loans to people that they weren’t financially qualified for ended up hurting those they were trying to help.

Most immigrants came to this country as poor as blacks are today. They have been more driven and valued education more than blacks in general. The success of African and Caribbean immigrants following the American dream shows it is less skin color and more education, hard work and luck.

Equality is all we can strive for. God gave us different abilities and drive. Let people have equal opportunity to find their own level.
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