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re: General security camera discussion (was "Unifi Protect security cameras")

Posted on 1/1/21 at 3:15 am to
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/1/21 at 3:15 am to
I have a small Unifi Video system running at a location that I annoyingly now have to update to Protect, so I will see what it's all about in a week or two.

I'm kind of a little excited about it, though, because the software looks so damned slick. The primary use of video surveillance is reviewing footage for interesting things that happened, and the Protect timeline scrubbing looks amazing IMO. It looks like you can review a day of footage with moderate to heavy motion in about 30 seconds. Everything else I've seen or used has been downright clunky in comparison.

I'm a Zoneminder guy, which if you don't know is a very powerful recording program, but it takes some time to get set up right and isn't exactly a breeze to use. I can fly through it because I have so much experience with it, but your typical home or small business user is not going to want to deal with it.

For these cases I really don't know if there's anything better than Unifi Protect in this price range. And IMO the pricing isn't really as outrageous as all the dahua/hik fanboys like to talk about. The G3 Flex is only $80, so you can get 8 of those for $640. Toss in the entry level Unifi Cloud Key Plus for $200 and a TP-Link 8 port PoE switch for like $80, and for under $1k you have a surveillance system that will cover the vast majority of homes with the slickest UI I've seen.

Yeah, you can get a Costco chinese special for half the price, or get 8 4K cams for about the same price as the 1080p Flex's, but then you have a big clunky NVR box with integrated switch making it an easy-to-spot target for burglars, and also a clunky UI to deal with.

Or you can roll your own NVR with Zoneminder or Blue Iris or whatever, but then you're dealing with the hassle of all the setup and port-forwarding or VPN stuff to get remote access working, which Protect handles for you. And then you're dealing with not only software updates but also OS updates manually, which are mostly automatic and seamless with Protect (when they work properly, hence this thread).



Anyway, I generally avoid these ecosystem lock in situations like the plague, but that's because I don't mind getting involved with configuration and such for myself. But if I need to recommend something for someone else that's easy to set up and use, I'm not sure yet what to go with. Once I get hands on with it, I'll try to report back with a review of Protect from the perspective of a linux and zoneminder user who has cheap chinese cams around his own house.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28745 posts
Posted on 1/1/21 at 7:20 pm to
So I do not yet have a Cloud Key Plus to put the Protect system to the test, but I do have a G3 Bullet camera that I have put in rtsp mode to compare to a cheaper camera. There are still a lot more scenarios where I'd like to see more side by side images, but here is what I've noticed so far.

The cheap cam is a Reolink RLC-410, which probably costs less than $50. Installed right below it is a UniFi G3 Bullet, which costs $150. Both are being monitored by Zoneminder, both are in 1080p mode.

I have to say, in the afternoon daylight the Reolink looked to have the sharper image. Face and other details were easier to make out on the cheap cam. Low light and night is another story, however. The Reolink suffers from significant smearing, which I guess is caused by longer exposures to let in more light. I tried "anti-smearing" exposure mode, and it didn't seem to make much difference other than cutting the frame rate to almost half of what it was set to.


RLC-410



G3 Bullet




That's my kid riding his bike in the back yard a while ago. Obviously I have cropped out the majority of the image. Also obviously neither image is good enough to ID anyone, but the G3 clearly performs better at night. Range to the kid is about 50'.


I don't know if that's worth the 3X price difference, but I thought it was significant.

I don't have any dahua or hik branded cams, but I do have a couple amcrest which I believe use dahua internals. They cost a bit more than the reolink, maybe around $80 or so, but they are still not quite as good in low light as the UniFi.



I still have no idea whether I will get better images from the G3 cams using the Unifi NVR vs. what it puts out via RTSP. Maybe their software does some tricks, I don't know. I also wish I had a dahua or hik cam in the $100-150 range to compare to, but I don't at the moment. Anyway, so far with the mixed results I'd say the Ubiquiti cam is definitely NOT worth 3X the Reolink, but of course the whole selling point of the ubnt stuff is the software and user experience. Again, I'll try to report back next week with a review.
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