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What does Darrels, or a similar place, have In the kitchen?
Posted on 12/4/20 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 12/4/20 at 11:50 pm
I live in an area that could use a good sandwich and beer spot. I always think about how overhead must be low if done right. What does a place like Darrels have in the back? A griddle or a big press? I feel like something to warm up the sandwiches and melt the cheese would be good but also a couple deep fryers for shrimp.
This post was edited on 12/5/20 at 12:00 am
Posted on 12/5/20 at 12:11 am to bigberg2000
Don't they make their own bread as well?
Posted on 12/5/20 at 6:57 am to bigberg2000
Overhead seems low when you don’t know what goes into a commercial kitchen. Besides the flattop/griddle or commercial sandwich press, you need refrigeration, usually in a couple of separate units.....drink cooler (or fountain set up), many storage/prep bins and tubs, pots/pans for any cooking, Cutting boards/surfaces, knives, a slicer, large volume storage tubs for bulk ingredients.....
Then we are talking about dishwashing (even if you serve in disposable stuff, you will still have plenty to wash), all of your sanitation stuff and cleaning supplies (mops, buckets, sprayers to sanitize tables, etc).
Good news, plenty of small restaurants are being driven out of business right now by Covid. So if you seriously want to do this, you will find some good deals in used restaurant goods in coming months.
Then we are talking about dishwashing (even if you serve in disposable stuff, you will still have plenty to wash), all of your sanitation stuff and cleaning supplies (mops, buckets, sprayers to sanitize tables, etc).
Good news, plenty of small restaurants are being driven out of business right now by Covid. So if you seriously want to do this, you will find some good deals in used restaurant goods in coming months.
Posted on 12/5/20 at 9:01 am to Cold Drink
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Darrels fries shrimp?
No they do not. And they don’t make their own bread or melt cheese. Most people would be surprised at the premade ingredients they use on their sandwiches. Still good at times but not “homemade” by any means.
Posted on 12/5/20 at 12:54 pm to bigberg2000
Everything must be NSF Rated for commercial food service operations.
Back of the kitchen equipment:
- Walk in cooler
- Freezer two or three smaller are better than one large
- 2 or 3 or 4 burner Stove top
- Dry food pantry, including bun/bread storage area.
- storage area for linens, aprons, kitchen towels, napkins
- Meat and lettuce slicer
- Prepped food storage containers (lots of them, including lids.
- Work surface, chopping, peeling, and food prep.
- Prep sink, with industrial quality disposal unit
- Dish washer with drain area
- Storage area for pots pans and depending on your serving plan - dishes
- Storage closet for mops, brooms, cleaning chemicals, etc. for kitchen and perhaps separate restroom cleaning supplies storage
- Trash disposal space
Somewhere:
Grease trap for plumbing system
Used Grease storage
Outside:
- Trash disposal area
- BBQ Pit or smoker (if those items are on the menu)
- Nasty stuff washing area
- Used grease storage
Kitchen (Items required must match menu):
- stove(s) with hood
- Flat top with hood
- fryer(s) with hood
- any specialty items your menu requires (pizza oven, regular oven, steam table, steamer, soup tureens, steam cooker, microwave, etc.)
- fried stuff holding space with heat lamps
- Refrigerated storage
- Frozen storage
- Food dressing, plating area, with refrigerated pan/bin holding capability for lettuce tomatoes, condiment etc.
- Grease filtering equipment, if not built into the fryer.
- Heated end of line staging area for completed orders
- Kitchen storage area - pots, pans, knives, spatulas, etc.
Front area:
Soft drink service
Coffee pot
Milk Shake service
Ice cream service
Condiment storage
Spoon, fork, knife storage
I am certain I have forgotten several things. This is not a simple thing.
You want to be able to produce multiple items and shape your recipes around the equipment you have. It is easy to buy a sauce pan or sauté pan, but you will need multiple pans of each type used to run a busy kitchen and someone (not the cook) to keep them clean.
Back of the kitchen equipment:
- Walk in cooler
- Freezer two or three smaller are better than one large
- 2 or 3 or 4 burner Stove top
- Dry food pantry, including bun/bread storage area.
- storage area for linens, aprons, kitchen towels, napkins
- Meat and lettuce slicer
- Prepped food storage containers (lots of them, including lids.
- Work surface, chopping, peeling, and food prep.
- Prep sink, with industrial quality disposal unit
- Dish washer with drain area
- Storage area for pots pans and depending on your serving plan - dishes
- Storage closet for mops, brooms, cleaning chemicals, etc. for kitchen and perhaps separate restroom cleaning supplies storage
- Trash disposal space
Somewhere:
Grease trap for plumbing system
Used Grease storage
Outside:
- Trash disposal area
- BBQ Pit or smoker (if those items are on the menu)
- Nasty stuff washing area
- Used grease storage
Kitchen (Items required must match menu):
- stove(s) with hood
- Flat top with hood
- fryer(s) with hood
- any specialty items your menu requires (pizza oven, regular oven, steam table, steamer, soup tureens, steam cooker, microwave, etc.)
- fried stuff holding space with heat lamps
- Refrigerated storage
- Frozen storage
- Food dressing, plating area, with refrigerated pan/bin holding capability for lettuce tomatoes, condiment etc.
- Grease filtering equipment, if not built into the fryer.
- Heated end of line staging area for completed orders
- Kitchen storage area - pots, pans, knives, spatulas, etc.
Front area:
Soft drink service
Coffee pot
Milk Shake service
Ice cream service
Condiment storage
Spoon, fork, knife storage
I am certain I have forgotten several things. This is not a simple thing.
You want to be able to produce multiple items and shape your recipes around the equipment you have. It is easy to buy a sauce pan or sauté pan, but you will need multiple pans of each type used to run a busy kitchen and someone (not the cook) to keep them clean.
This post was edited on 12/6/20 at 10:21 am
Posted on 12/5/20 at 5:44 pm to MeridianDog
When I watch Restaurant Impossible they don’t have half this stuff.
Posted on 12/5/20 at 6:18 pm to lsuwins3
What was their menu? What were they missing? Did they show you everything they had.
I'm sorry, forgive me. You don't need any of this stuff.
Get yourself a Mr. Bun steamer and a George Forman Weenie Roaster and go for it.
I'm sorry, forgive me. You don't need any of this stuff.
Get yourself a Mr. Bun steamer and a George Forman Weenie Roaster and go for it.
Posted on 12/5/20 at 8:49 pm to MeridianDog
If you are serious OP you start off with a food truck. Everything you need for sandwiches you can put in a food truck. Obviously you aren’t doing beers and happy hours, but get your food down first.
You can drop a million on a commercial kitchen easily but at the same time and mom and pop place in a small town has very little of that.
You can drop a million on a commercial kitchen easily but at the same time and mom and pop place in a small town has very little of that.
This post was edited on 12/5/20 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 12/5/20 at 11:09 pm to bigberg2000
All of these answers are terrible. The requirements to open an operation like that are not that high. Especially if you don’t plan to make most of your ingredients in house. There are plenty of distributors who sell ready to eat products that you can easily pass off as quality these days.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 9:28 am to bosoxjo13
quote:
All of these answers are terrible. The requirements to open an operation like that are not that high. Especially if you don’t plan to make most of your ingredients in house. There are plenty of distributors who sell ready to eat products that you can easily pass off as quality these days.
Says someone who has never owned a restaurant.
I’ll add to MD’s list.
General liability and workers comp insurance, occupational license, business license, food service license, health permit,resale permit, local, state and federal taxes, utilities, credit card fees, payroll and associated costs, rent or mortgage, furniture, accounting and legal fees, inventory (even if it’s as you say all pre-made-Sysco isn’t free) some sort of marketing/advertising, a healthy savings account to get you through those times when no one wants a completely pre-made from distributorship meal that they can get at any filling station with a microwave, signage for say employee hand washing, menus and menu labeling (origin of shrimp/crawfish etc...), Department of health sanitation permit, food safety permits, retail food permits, employee health certification permit, pos system, any security deposits on various items above, ADA compliance, liquor license if so inclined, salaries, miscellaneous expenses. (Of which there are plenty)
Just off the top of my head. Surely others.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 10:18 am to Martini
Yes - all of these costs must be considered too.
I never intended to say you can't open a restaurant with a Home Depot yard building and a crockpot, but those who succeed have a better chance if they have a very good menu, a very good location, a very good business plan and a very good bank balance.
Shame on me for sharing my opinion, but I'll still say It isn't easy and many/most will fail. Even those with lots of experience.
You need to understand that going in, and then take the plunge if you still feel you must feed people for a living.
I never intended to say you can't open a restaurant with a Home Depot yard building and a crockpot, but those who succeed have a better chance if they have a very good menu, a very good location, a very good business plan and a very good bank balance.
Shame on me for sharing my opinion, but I'll still say It isn't easy and many/most will fail. Even those with lots of experience.
You need to understand that going in, and then take the plunge if you still feel you must feed people for a living.
This post was edited on 12/6/20 at 10:19 am
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