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re: The ATL Thread: Offseason
Posted on 11/26/20 at 5:34 pm to volfan30
Posted on 11/26/20 at 5:34 pm to volfan30
I really don't believe you watch the games, rather you just look at the spreadsheets afterwards. Everyone of your arguments is just copy/paste from FanGraphs it seems.
WAR (and you by extension) doesn't factor in what pitches the batter Ozuna is protecting sees, it also doesn't factor in how that player affects the clubhouse.
There's a happy medium between advanced stats and "eye test" for lack of a better phrase and you, and many others, constantly miss the mark on it, whether relying too far on one side or the other. Listen to Theo Epstein.
WAR (and you by extension) doesn't factor in what pitches the batter Ozuna is protecting sees, it also doesn't factor in how that player affects the clubhouse.
There's a happy medium between advanced stats and "eye test" for lack of a better phrase and you, and many others, constantly miss the mark on it, whether relying too far on one side or the other. Listen to Theo Epstein.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 6:18 pm to Broski
Well said.
Saber has its place, no doubt. But too many people are using it as a replacement for the eye test when it should be used as a supplement to the eye test, not as a replacement.
Saber has its place, no doubt. But too many people are using it as a replacement for the eye test when it should be used as a supplement to the eye test, not as a replacement.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 7:08 pm to Broski
I agree about not over relying on metrics
But I don’t think we should ignore that Ozunas 2020 production was an outlier and that the defense is virtually unplayable.
Potential upgrades are at 3rd and LF.
Sign Ozuna and I think we’d be done.
Don’t sign Ozuna and think we could get 2 of Turner / Joc / Brantley / Cruz for pretty similar money and way over shorter contracts.
I’m fine either way, but I’m not convinced that going the 2nd route wouldn’t make for a more complete team.
What I wont be happy with us if we don’t resign Ozuna and replace him with a Joc type and nothing else.
But I don’t think we should ignore that Ozunas 2020 production was an outlier and that the defense is virtually unplayable.
Potential upgrades are at 3rd and LF.
Sign Ozuna and I think we’d be done.
Don’t sign Ozuna and think we could get 2 of Turner / Joc / Brantley / Cruz for pretty similar money and way over shorter contracts.
I’m fine either way, but I’m not convinced that going the 2nd route wouldn’t make for a more complete team.
What I wont be happy with us if we don’t resign Ozuna and replace him with a Joc type and nothing else.
Posted on 11/26/20 at 9:50 pm to Broski
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I really don't believe you watch the games,
Lol the old “put down the calculator and watch the game!!” Classic line despite the fact that you know I post in game threads every night and I even posted a picture from game 7 of the NLCS. I go to 25+ games every year in non COVID years and try to see all the minor league teams every summer.
Most every decision the FO makes is based on data. That’s why I reference it so much. When kids are drafted by the Braves they are put through classes and seminars teaching them how to use spin rate, exit velo, etc. to improve their performance. It’s a huge part of the game now. They are not going to make decisions on how to manage a $150 million payroll based on the “eye test” very often. Yes there’s a place for the human element in roster construction, especially from a personality standpoint, but relying heavily on emotion or intuition in evaluating players at the ML level is a great way to get fired when there’s so much information available.
Ozuna was such a good buy low last year because of his underlying metrics. The hard hit rate and xOBA was off the charts and the production hadn’t matched. Giving someone 4 years, $75M or whatever based on a 60 game sample size when the production has never matched the metrics over the long haul is a very risky proposition though, especially with the unknown about the DH and the abhorrent defense.
Saying “AA should be fired” if Ozuna isn’t brought back is much more short sighted than anything I’ve posted. There are many different ways to skin a cat and when you are working with a mid market budget you have to get creative and thread the needle with big money signings. If the DH is eliminated there is virtually 0 chance Ozuna on a long term deal would be the best use of that money imo.
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