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re: Bucks and Magic are boycotting tonight's game UPDATE All games postponed
Posted on 8/29/20 at 11:26 pm to Bronc
Posted on 8/29/20 at 11:26 pm to Bronc
quote:I like how you think it's near impossible for the guy retreating to prove self defense from an attacker, but you're super confident that a dude running down another guy to attack him IS certainly self defense
He doesn’t have a duty to retreat but he does have to prove his body or life was in imminent mortal harm and it needs to be under the condition where he was not engaging in criminal activity initially. On the latter that is unresolved and on the former it continues to be a bar I don’t see him as having met.
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You didn't think that one through.
quote:Skateboard attacker and guy with gun attacker
Who is they?
quote:The video pretty clearly shows it actually.
What Kyle has to prove is how his life was in imminent danger from the person he killed and that he exhausted all reasonable options to deescalate before using lethal force. So far, from what the video shows, that is a very hard ask.
quote:You forgot one important piece, and I say "forgot" nicely because I know you left it out on purpose. The part where me going to disarm you involves you retreating and running away and me continually tracking you down. That is NOT self defense. It's wild that you're arguing that is self defense but teh guy literally running away from an attacker isnt using self defense.
So let’s get this logic straight, if I threaten you with an Ar-15, and you go to disarm me, I have a right to kill you
quote:Obviously? Nope, just have show that it is not beyond a reasonable doubt that the attacker wasn't going to physically harm him to place him in imminent danger, and it is OBVIOUSLY NOT beyond a reasonable doubt, but you know that.
because Obviously, if you were to disarm me you would kill me afterwards.
quote:No clue what that is or means
And I guess you will prove that by way of the new pre-cog program the Wisconsin police have implemented?
quote:In a criminal case the burden of proof is literally on the prosecution and not the defense. Amazing that you didn't know that.
Or are you literally trying to argue the burden of proof is on the accuser and that the law supports that? Please, show me that statute.
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quote:The guy that is arguing someone retreating has little chance to show self defense on someone in pursuit but the guy in pursuit of the person retreating does have self defense calling me absurd, nice job.
Do you understand how fricking fascistic and absurd you sound?
The "fascistic" comment just reminds me of my earlier post where I pointed out your inability to have a simple disagreement with someone and you thinking anyone that disagrees with you is racist and facist, etc. I have no idea how someone can function and get through life if they can't navigate debates and differences in opinion without going off the deep end.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 11:42 pm to shel311
Why do you keep invoking self defense having to be proven by the victims??? That is not how this works and that is not what is being said.
I think you need to step back, let your triggering subside and come back when you can have a clear, rational discussion....if possible
You do not have a right to lethal force, presumption of guilt on the part of the deceased is not a thing, and you clearly haven’t bothered to read any of the Wisconsin laws because you keep invoking things like retreating that aren’t actually part of it.
Kyle has to justify lethal force, with a pretty high bar, and the prosecution in no way has to prove innocence of the deceased based on presumption of guilt. If Kyle can not do so, and based on the video it is hard to make that case, he is going to have a tough road against a competent jury. And if it turns out he also instigated and engaged in criminal activity that set the whole series of events off? Good luck
I think you need to step back, let your triggering subside and come back when you can have a clear, rational discussion....if possible
You do not have a right to lethal force, presumption of guilt on the part of the deceased is not a thing, and you clearly haven’t bothered to read any of the Wisconsin laws because you keep invoking things like retreating that aren’t actually part of it.
Kyle has to justify lethal force, with a pretty high bar, and the prosecution in no way has to prove innocence of the deceased based on presumption of guilt. If Kyle can not do so, and based on the video it is hard to make that case, he is going to have a tough road against a competent jury. And if it turns out he also instigated and engaged in criminal activity that set the whole series of events off? Good luck
This post was edited on 8/29/20 at 11:49 pm
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