re: Bucks and Magic are boycotting tonight's game UPDATE All games postponed

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Again, this is not stand your ground territory

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Not sure why you keep bringing this up, Kyle retreated until the attacker was going to make contact. Stand your ground is irrelevant here for multiple reasons, no clue why you keep bringing it up.

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Read those words again. IF Kyle was the initial antagonist, which loose reports suggest may be the case, than what you have is a situation where Kyle was threatening people with lethal force and people attempted to intervene and disarm him(keeping in mind interviews from earlier that night have him and people with him explicitly saying they would and were threatening perceived lawbreakers with lethal force until police arrive, for which they have no authority to do so, as the sheriff explicitly refused to deputize these people).

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So you're arguing that Kyle retreating isn't self defense but an attacker stalking him and chasing him down is self defense, is that what you're doing here?

Even if Kyle was the aggressor, which again other reports suggest he was not also so keep that in mind, the roles of aggressor change and clearly changed, and you 100% cannot claim self defense when self defense maintains a duty to retreat and you're clearly doing the literal opposite of retreating. So how can you claim self defense while on the attack?

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To which he would become the aggressor

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Not at the time of the shooting, so...

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And if he murdered someone in that context, he is also now an active shooter. And self defense really falls apart then.

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But as you can see from what I stated above, there is zero way to argue the bald/red shirt guy was acting in self defense, none whatsoever. You do agree with that, right?

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A lot is going to come down to what prompted the chase, what instigating factors were at play, and from everything you have shown me, and the letter of Wisconsin law, it seems very hard for Kyle to claim self defense during the first murder.

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Duty to retreat, done. Attacker, from what I've read was trying to take his gun, that's a clear indication of imminent danger. Seems the 2 main bases are covered here.

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No, it just seems you can’t engage on the merits of a conversation so you are reaching for ad hominems and straw men.

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Oh, I'm reaching, but you're not by saying you think they over charged him so he can get off? LOL. That's funny.

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Would be better if some of you so blinded by your tribalism could see it.

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Try harder with your troll, you look foolish right now. You've proven over and over you can't have a rational discussion with someone disagreeing with you without going to the lowest form and claiming racists and tribalism. It's a fundamental lack of an ability to see how others can simply have a different viewpoint than you with no malicious intent. That's something you should really check, that is not a good mentality to live by.

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Had they done so Kyle would have been told to go home for breaking curfew, potentially charged with a misdemeanor for illegal firearm brandishing as a minor, his life wouldn’t be upside down facing murder charges, and three people would still be alive.

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100% agree here. Any protest that turns into riots should be shut down immediately. Whatever legal tactics these PDs can take should be taken to get rid of these rioteres immediately and arrest ones that warrant, and yes, like Kyle for being underage and carrying a gun.

Problem is, the moment the cops shut these down, based on your posts in this thread, it's a pretty fair assessment from me that you'd probably complain that they're not allowing peaceful protestors, so you'd find a way to slam them either way.