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re: #blacklivesmatter: Five Year Old Approached by Neighbor, Shot Dead in Front of Two Sisters
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:43 pm to TigerAlum2006
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:43 pm to TigerAlum2006
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re: #blacklivesmatter: Five Year Old Approached by Neighbor, Shot Dead in Front of Two SistersPosted on 8/12/20 at 11:27 pm to Champagne
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Here's a scholarly article from the "Journal of Blacks in Higher Education", an Academia periodical
Nice. Did you read it? Or did you want me to read it and summarize?
It basically restates my point: quite a bit of research, historically and, really, presently has presumed inferiority amongst Black people can, at least in part, be explained biologically. The author outlined that history+present and then asked if we should not see white people’s (1) perpetuation of this kind of racist reasoning and (2) more broad examples of racist violence as some kind of deficiency that needs to be studied as well? Basically, “wait, White people are clearly flawed because they maintain racism but we’re ignoring that.” That’s half of the critique. The other half is summarized in the title...but it’s implicit. The question in the title is demonstrating the absurdity of what white researchers do in their pursuit of proving Black inferiority, particularly at a biological level. I’d summarize it as: hey, if they’re gonna keep this bull shite research up, what’s good for the goose should be good for the gander.
At the end of the day, you had to go out of your way to find one obscure academic commentary from 1997 to ... what? Demonstrate that there’s a whole cottage industry within academia focused on tying white supremacist tendencies to biology? Lol. You won’t find that. That’s not a mainstream idea or even one that gets traction in academia. Instead, you’ll find the very thing I described: vestiges of scientific anti-Black racism. I couldn’t even find the piece in Google Scholar to see how many times it was cited, if any.
Let's get something clear. The fact that Black Americans have on avg,, a one standard deviation lower IQ (15 points) than White Americans, does NOT mean they are biologically inferior. Intelligence is just one of many traits. Blacks clearly show greater athletic ability in many sports, and that does not make them biologically superior across the board.
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Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:49 pm to TigerAlum2006
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re: #blacklivesmatter: Five Year Old Approached by Neighbor, Shot Dead in Front of Two SistersPosted on 8/12/20 at 11:40 pm to Champagne
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The USA treated African Americans as sub-humans for a long time. I suspect that the USA will one day make some kind of perverted amends by doing the same thing to white males.
I’m not trying to be argumentative or rude. I just feel the need to address this point head on. This is real anxiety (“they might do the same thing to white men”) that white supremacists try to stoke. That’s similarly why I freaked out about the 90% fake statistic because it can feed a similar narrative: “Look at how they’re killing us!” Fake statistics like this one we’re cited by Roof, fueling his anger about “black-on-white crime” LINK.
Let me be clear: I’m not labeling anyone here a white supremacist. I’m not labeling the persons who have posted that fake statistics on this board at least twice white supremacists. I’m simply trying to point out that the slope gets slippery real quick, the anxiety/fear can grow. And some white supremacists are really hoping that anxiety and fear do grow LINK.
There are different pieces of evidence regarding the overwhelmingly higher proportion of interracial attacks by Blacks. This graph
is just one, and even though it does not have Blacks committing 90% of all interracial attacks, it clearly shows that Blacks are extremely disproportionately involved in interracial violence. So even if they aren't the cause of 90% of all interracial attacks according to certain data, they are still overwhelmingly involved. Pointing that out is not White supremacist. BLM claiming that Whites are hunting down Whites IS anti White, however, cause there is no factual support for it whatsoever. 
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:51 pm to Frank Black
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Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:53 pm to TigerAlum2006
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Finally, I'm still wondering here: What's the end goal of arguing that Black people hurt white people more? (And, to be clear, I don't agree with that premise and would have to explain further why not.) But why offer up that claim? Where does it get us? White people should feel angry? White people should ignore voices of protest? White people should think that racism is over? White people should join a race war? (I mean, someone on this thread said: "I will continue to beat the drum....as men as as a society, if we do not start standing up, protecting our children, and destroying evil....we are doomed." So, what does he mean? Who is under attack? All men and their children? White men and their children? I'm not asking these questions to be ignoring or to obscure anything. Instead, I want us to consider whose interests are served when we promote narratives about "Blacks attacking whites." That specter, the threat of the Black criminal created by white people has a bloody and terrible history. Accusations and fears of rape in particular has been part of that history.
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Are you serious? What planet have you been living on the last few months? We are in the middle of the most vicious anti White narrative the world has ever seen. We are literally being accused of hunting Blacks down. The ONLY reason for bringing up the data, is to defend the White race from the likes of BLM who wish Whites real harm.
It is perfectly good for Whites to push back against anti White lies with the data. The data proves the BLM narrative is utter BS! And there is nothing wrong with becoming a defensive "racist." Whites better start defending their race before more White children are gunned down thanks to our media gaslighting Blacks to think they are the eternal victims. I don't want to hear one more word about Dylan Roof till more Blacks acknowledge the serious anti White violence problem plaguing their community.
And as for rape, virtually no Black women are raped by White men, but many White women are raped by Black men each year. I will have to retrieve the data later when I have time, but you can search for it yourself.
This post was edited on 8/12/20 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:57 pm to InGAButLoveBama
Your side has done nothing but promote anxiety among young Blacks that they are being hunted down, when the data proves the exact opposite. When controlling for police encounters and crime (backed by victim reports), Blacks are less likely than Whites to be killed by cops
Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:11 am to InGAButLoveBama
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The FBI lumps Latinos in with Whites, so the percentage of Whites who commit interracial crime is even smaller than 10%.
Yeah, so comparing this graph to Table 14 in the 2018 BJS and the SPLC article I posted yesterday, it’s clear there’s some funny math being done to create the new graph. Creating a category of “interracial crime” and then creating new percentages is something I’m going to need to think more about. The original BJS made very clear: of all the crime against white people, 15% of it is perpetrated by a Black offender. The math you needed to do to flip that around and get a 90% number—and I know how they got the number—feels disingenuous. But I gotta think some more.
I do appreciate the link to the red elephant site, which linked me to the BJS site.
Some of the other hate crime statistics presented...I gotta do some digging there too. If there was manipulation to get a 90% number, I need to make sure there aren’t more games going on.
I guess I’ll not dwell on the fact that white people might get away with crime at higher rates, particularly if it’s against a person of color. Or that what we count as crime typically only focuses on things poor people do, not rich people in ways that have disproportionate racial victims (e.g., environmental looting and toxicity, wage theft).
At the end of the day, that these statistics can get weaponized as propaganda is what still bothers me. But I’ve already said that enough. For now.
Thanks again for responding. And I mean that genuinely. So much more productive/helpful than any bullshite MadKing was posting.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:14 am to InGAButLoveBama
Here is a source (The Color of Crime) spanning many years that backs up the 13/90 data point regarding interracial attacks. And it is NOT from so called White supremacists.
Ok, sometimes it is only 13/85, but let's not get too nerdy here. The data is clear. Blacks are way more likely to attack other races. LINK /
Major Findings
The evidence suggests that if there is police racial bias in arrests it is negligible. Victim and witness surveys show that police arrest violent criminals in close proportion to the rates at which criminals of different races commit violent crimes.
There are dramatic race differences in crime rates. Asians have the lowest rates, followed by whites, and then Hispanics. Blacks have notably high crime rates. This pattern holds true for virtually all crime categories and for virtually all age groups.
In 2013, a black was six times more likely than a non-black to commit murder, and 12 times more likely to murder someone of another race than to be murdered by someone of another race.
In 2013, of the approximately 660,000 crimes of interracial violence that involved blacks and whites, blacks were the perpetrators 85 percent of the time. This meant a black person was 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa. A Hispanic was eight times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa.
In 2014 in New York City, a black was 31 times more likely than a white to be arrested for murder, and a Hispanic was 12.4 times more likely. For the crime of “shooting” — defined as firing a bullet that hits someone — a black was 98.4 times more likely than a white to be arrested, and a Hispanic was 23.6 times more likely.
If New York City were all white, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent.
In an all-white Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent.
In 2015, a black person was 2.45 times more likely than a white person to be shot and killed by the police. A Hispanic person was 1.21 times more likely. These figures are well within what would be expected given race differences in crime rates and likelihood to resist arrest.
In 2015, police killings of blacks accounted for approximately 4 percent of homicides of blacks. Police killings of unarmed blacks accounted for approximately 0.6 percent of homicides of blacks. The overwhelming majority of black homicide victims (93 percent from 1980 to 2008) were killed by blacks.
Both violent and non-violent crime has been declining in the United States since a high in 1993. 2015 saw a disturbing rise in murder in major American cities that some observers associated with “depolicing” in response to intense media and public scrutiny of police activity.
Ok, sometimes it is only 13/85, but let's not get too nerdy here. The data is clear. Blacks are way more likely to attack other races. LINK /
Major Findings
The evidence suggests that if there is police racial bias in arrests it is negligible. Victim and witness surveys show that police arrest violent criminals in close proportion to the rates at which criminals of different races commit violent crimes.
There are dramatic race differences in crime rates. Asians have the lowest rates, followed by whites, and then Hispanics. Blacks have notably high crime rates. This pattern holds true for virtually all crime categories and for virtually all age groups.
In 2013, a black was six times more likely than a non-black to commit murder, and 12 times more likely to murder someone of another race than to be murdered by someone of another race.
In 2013, of the approximately 660,000 crimes of interracial violence that involved blacks and whites, blacks were the perpetrators 85 percent of the time. This meant a black person was 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa. A Hispanic was eight times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa.
In 2014 in New York City, a black was 31 times more likely than a white to be arrested for murder, and a Hispanic was 12.4 times more likely. For the crime of “shooting” — defined as firing a bullet that hits someone — a black was 98.4 times more likely than a white to be arrested, and a Hispanic was 23.6 times more likely.
If New York City were all white, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent.
In an all-white Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent.
In 2015, a black person was 2.45 times more likely than a white person to be shot and killed by the police. A Hispanic person was 1.21 times more likely. These figures are well within what would be expected given race differences in crime rates and likelihood to resist arrest.
In 2015, police killings of blacks accounted for approximately 4 percent of homicides of blacks. Police killings of unarmed blacks accounted for approximately 0.6 percent of homicides of blacks. The overwhelming majority of black homicide victims (93 percent from 1980 to 2008) were killed by blacks.
Both violent and non-violent crime has been declining in the United States since a high in 1993. 2015 saw a disturbing rise in murder in major American cities that some observers associated with “depolicing” in response to intense media and public scrutiny of police activity.
This post was edited on 8/13/20 at 12:16 am
Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:20 am to InGAButLoveBama
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The fact that Black Americans have on avg,, a one standard deviation lower IQ (15 points) than White Americans, does NOT mean they are biologically inferior. Intelligence is just one of many traits. Blacks clearly show greater athletic ability in many sports, and that does not make them biologically superior across the board.
Lord. I might not go back and forth with you after all. IQ tests have roots in eugenics and have been demonstrated to have cultural biases. And “intelligence” isn’t a single trait. It’s not even a trait, biologically speaking.
And the greater athletic ability trope is similarly problematic. Jewish players dominated the early NBA. Most of the history of that phenomenon focused on cultural conditions, including poverty and opportunities to “get out.” LINK
There’s a long history of trying to prove genetic / racial differences. Genetically, someone who’s ancestors from Europe may share more genetic code with someone whose ancestors are from Asia than they might with someone else whose ancestors are from Europe. It’s just so much more complicated than you’ve presented it here. LINK
This post was edited on 8/13/20 at 11:06 am
Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:31 am to InGAButLoveBama
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Here is a source (The Color of Crime) spanning many years that backs up the 13/90 data point regarding interracial attacks. And it is NOT from so called White supremacists.
Huh? From the website: “ Perhaps the most important publication of New Century Foundation is The Color of Crime...New Century Foundation also published American Renaissance, a monthly magazine dealing with race and racial issues here and abroad.”
And then...I mean is Wikipedia reliable? LINK
So, were you hoping I wouldn’t check? Or maybe you think a group focused on “white identity” is kinda not white supremacist? Or maybe you didn’t know?
Now I gotta scrub my cookies after clicking on their site.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:49 am to InGAButLoveBama
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are in the middle of the most vicious anti White narrative the world has ever seen.
Yeahhh bro. I’m a white dude. And I don’t feel that any narratives I’ve seen are viciously against white people. They’re decidedly anti-racism. Maybe I’m just living in a reality where I talk to actual activists and am part of protests. None of those discussions or events have been anti-white. Why would I even go if I felt threatened? Or not wanted?
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BLM who wish Whites real harm
Straight up bullshite. You’re watching this through your media filters. And you’re deluded. Nothing about BLM is anti-white. Unless you equate racism with being white. Which, I guess could be fair—white people invented their own whiteness and the racism that would uphold slavery, Jim Crow, and our current system of inequality across wealth, housing, education, health.......
Posted on 8/13/20 at 1:00 am to TigerAlum2006
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Straight up bullshite. You’re watching this through your media filters. And you’re deluded. Nothing about BLM is anti-white. Unless you equate racism with being white. Which, I guess could be fair—white people invented their own whiteness and the racism that would uphold slavery, Jim Crow, and our current system of inequality across wealth, housing, education, health.......
First, you're either lying or totally ignorant....
Second, none of that shite was "white people" the word you are looking for is Democrats
Posted on 8/13/20 at 1:08 am to More&Les
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First, you're either lying or totally ignorant...
When you label something a lie but don’t explain what’s not truthful about it...I start to think you’re just using that to silence an idea you don’t agree with and/or don’t understand.
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Second, none of that shite was "white people" the word you are looking for is Democrats
Democrats weren’t primarily white people at that time, Dinesh? The same white people in your family who eventually started voting Republican after the Civil Rights Acts were passed? This talking point has been debunked many times. But it’s still satisfying for you to vomit out, it seems.
This post was edited on 8/13/20 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 8/13/20 at 2:30 am to TigerAlum2006
Waterboarding is too good for that damn prick.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 2:32 am to Frank Black
Jesus fricking Christ. The world is over.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 4:55 am to TigerAlum2006
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Maybe I’m just living in a reality where I talk to actual activists and am part of protests.
Ah ha. Makes sense now.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 5:20 am to TigerAlum2006
Do you condem the racist organization BLM as well?
Posted on 8/13/20 at 5:47 am to Frank Black
People like that guy who is trying to argue a white supremacist angle is yet another example that the left wing is a cult. Make no mistake, he is glad that 5 year old white kid was killed and he would be okay with it even if it was his own kid. That's what cultists do, sacrifice anything, including their children to their ideology. It's fricking sickening and there is no peaceful way to resolve it. The sooner people reconcile themselves to that the sooner we come to a resolution.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 5:56 am to TigerAlum2006
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Democrats weren’t primarily white people at that time, Dinesh?
As were those that opposed them, you're blaming "white people" for what a particular group/party is guilty of and I guess in order to show your own bigotry you use an ethnic name in an attempt to insult me. Same as it ever was.
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The same white people in your family who eventually started voting Republican after the Civil Rights Acts were passed
Is this the switch fantasy? So, Joe Biden's mentor who filibustered the Civil Rights Act and held an exalted position in both the kkk and the Democrat party when did he switch? When did any of the racist bastards that opposed civil rights and desegregation (like your boy Biden who didn't want little Hunter Biden growing up in a racial jungle) switch, please provide proof or gtfo with this bullshite.
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This talking point has been debunked many times
Repeating a baseless lie doesn't make it true, should be easy to provide just a little evidence though, waiting....?
Posted on 8/13/20 at 6:02 am to TigerAlum2006
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Yeahhh bro. I’m a white dude. And I don’t feel that any narratives I’ve seen are viciously against white people.
Yeah bro, you are a fricking sap.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 6:36 am to TigerAlum2006
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And the Democrats are really hoping that anxiety and fear do grow
Fixed it for you....
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