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re: Here’s some evidence that certain reporters want more testing so that things look worse
Posted on 7/13/20 at 4:29 pm to Athanatos
Posted on 7/13/20 at 4:29 pm to Athanatos
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That's backwards and fails to account for whether New York having already gone through its first wave is accountable for New York's current condition
I've mentioned a few times. No place has yet to achieve herd immunity, so no place is "through" the first wave. NY like many places has successfully mitigated cases, but it isn't necessarily done with COVID.
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Using this logic, Sweden's lockdown is more effective than California's even though Sweden is not under lockdown.
I'm not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your arithemtic, there, Lou. Sweden has had 5,500 deaths in a population of 10M whereas California has had ~7,000 deaths on 4 times as large a population. The per capita mortality rate in Sweden (502 per M) is triple that of California (177 per M) Anyhow, the case positivity rate is the standard I set to show relative control of the virus. Sweden is higher than California in that metric too.
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Sweden is one of the few rich countries clearly doing worse than we are.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 4:45 pm to longwayfromLA
The herd fans love Sweden, but they bought 6-12x as many deaths as their Scandanavian neighbors with no better economic results. It's nice to have a few more things open, but it doesn't seem worth it.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 5:27 pm to longwayfromLA
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I've mentioned a few times. No place has yet to achieve herd immunity, so no place is "through" the first wave. NY like many places has successfully mitigated cases, but it isn't necessarily done with COVID.
So you think the first wave won't end until herd immunity is reached?
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I'm not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your arithemtic, there, Lou. Sweden has had 5,500 deaths in a population of 10M whereas California has had ~7,000 deaths on 4 times as large a population. The per capita mortality rate in Sweden (502 per M) is triple that of California (177 per M) Anyhow, the case positivity rate is the standard I set to show relative control of the virus. Sweden is higher than California in that metric too.
First, you're shifting the goal posts. You literally just compared California's and New York's current positivity rates, not their death rates.
Second, I never said that Sweden has done better overall than anyone, so you're fighting a strawman there, champ.
Third, Sweden's last reported positivity rate was 7.5% on July 5. California's today was 8.3%. If we are using positivity rates, then California's lockdown is underperforming based on your metric, at least the first metric you used (and not the one I would choose, especially since it's pretty clear that that metric as a proxy for lockdown effectiveness does not reflect reality).
Fourth, your link is another shift in the goal posts. That's an all-time average, not a positivity rate by day. If we are using that metric now, then NY's is at 9.06% and CA at 6.19%. I'm not sure why you keep shifting in new data, but your main point was using this:
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Yesterday the case positivity rate for California was about 8 times that of New York.
to argue that New York's lockdown is more effective than California's. My point remains that using the positivity rate as a proxy for effectiveness is ridiculous, as countries without lockdowns have lower positivity rates. Even excluding Sweden, use Taiwan as an example. Their current positivity rate is 0.2%. Clearly, positivity rate is not a good data point for comparing lockdowns. Therefore, I'm going to ask again:
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Do you have data to support NY lockdowns being stricter or more effective than California’s? If not, how do you explain CA spiking but not NY? How is that easier to believe than that Farr’s Law has just reached the end of its cycle in NY?
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