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re: Libertarian presidential candidate Jo Jorgensen's platform is VERY appealing.

Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:39 pm to
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
5687 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:39 pm to
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Why though? I keep hearing people say this but nobody gives any details on why.


I did above. IMO it's usually two things that keep libertarian solutions from being viable:

1. They ignore the scope of the problems that their (anti) solutions are designed to fix

2. They ignore the global interdependence piece of the puzzle

For example, above I talked about the fact that we live in a global market in which you have hundreds of economic systems, all of which are less developed than ours, and almost all of which are far less developed than ours. If you throw open the gates and we have completely open borders, which way do you think the water is going to flow to seek it's own level when we're basically at the top of the hill?

I'll give you another example that I mentioned above—abolishing the welfare state.

Jordan Peterson has a video or two floating around on YouTube wherein he uses a simple IQ bell curve to illustrate just how many people in America do not have the intellectual capacity to get and keep just about any job. The US military has conducted research to determine at what IQ a person is basically unemployable, and Peterson uses the bell curve to come up with a number. The number is in the tens of millions of Americans.

Not to mention, there aren't enough jobs for all the people who want to work even with all the people on welfare.

And we're talking about 64,000,000 or so Americans on Medicaid. Not Medicare. Medicaid. The one for poor people.

21% of Americans participate in at least one assistance program. 18% are on food stamps at some point in their lives.

Imagine all of those people, tens of millions of whom are intellectually incapable of working and tens of millions more who would not be able to find jobs if they tried, because there aren't enough jobs.

Take a look around at the looting and rioting going on, and imagine that's just standard operating procedure under a libertarian regime.

Yeah, they'd arrest them. And so we'd simply pay for them to be locked up rather than receiving welfare. Nothing gained.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67552 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:43 pm to
Without welfare, you’d be shocked at how many jobs suddenly find a way to be created. There is not one single person in this nation who is truly useless. When people have to find a use or starve to death, they will do just that. People aren’t useless because they’re “too dumb” to work. They’re useless because we’re dumb enough to pay them not to work.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67552 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:47 pm to
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Take a look around at the looting and rioting going on, and imagine that's just standard operating procedure under a libertarian regime.


What makes you think this would be standard operating procedure? Libertarians do believe in basic government services to protect private property (police, criminal courts, civil courts, fire protection, etc.) and support individual rights to defend their property. The cities that are lawless are ones where the government has largely disarmed its citizens and ordered their police departments not to intervene in the rioting. A libertarian government would do neither.
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