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re: Texas wr Brennan Eagles won’t play another snap amid racial injustice

Posted on 6/6/20 at 8:36 am to
Posted by Tiger_Style
The N.O.
Member since Apr 2019
808 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 8:36 am to
jesus, kid. You're going the opposite direction.
Posted by cstewa7
Member since May 2010
190 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 9:10 am to
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he's upset about more whites being killed by cops last year?


This is true that more whites were killed by cops last year. Whites make up 60+% of the country and around 55+% of the arrest. If you also compare to % of deaths by cops vs % of arrest by cops to get a rate of result based on encounters then black and whites have about the same rate of 0.5 (when comparing %/%). Note that the arrest data (table 43 from fbi arrest data) combines Hispanics and whites so you have to break out the arrest data using census as a guide which is 80/20 Whites not Hispanic /Hispanic. The Hispanic rate of deaths by cops is around 0.72 in same fashion.

However the outrage and disparity is not about total deaths rate, it’s about death rate of unarmed. When you take the next step of analysis you find that whites is 0.42 compared to around 0.72 or so for Hispanics and Blacks. This is what the protest is about. The unarmed and the disparity in enforcement of lethal force against the unarmed is what cause the unease with encounters. Unarmed is the focus because armed deaths can be justifiable due to having a weapon.

Obvious if you just look at total numbers, there will always be more deaths of whites vs any other race due to whites being 60% of the population and holding a 3-4+ times population advantage over the Other categories.
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
5438 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 9:33 am to
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However the outrage and disparity is not about total deaths rate, it’s about death rate of unarmed.


So what is the total number of unarmed people killed every year broken out by race?
Posted by cstewa7
Member since May 2010
190 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 11:43 am to
Here are statistic you should know
FBI Sources Table 43: Break down of arrest by race
Note that race categories are {white, black, Asian, Native American, Hawaiian}. Hispanic is included in white. Note that per census data ~ 60% vs 75% population being White not Hispanics vs White. Ie this would suggest white not Hispanic is 80% of the White census records.

LINK

LINK

Note similar breakdown for 2010 -2018 data

Break down of arrest using the split of white to white not Hispanics and Hispanic from census would suggest:

White not Hispanic: 69% * 80% = 55.2%
Hispanic: 69% * 20% = 13.8%
Blacks: 27%

Ratios relative to White not Hispanic.

White not Hispanic: 1:1
Hispanic: 1:0.25
Blacks: 1:0.5

Data on police fatalities since 2015:

LINK

People shot by police per data break down. Data is available for download from the site.

White: 50%
Hispanic : 19%
Black: 26%

This is corroborated with other sites providing this information like statistica

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When you break this down to rate of fatal shooting per arrest: % Shoot / Ratio

White: 50% / 1 = 0.50
Hispanic: 19% / 0.25 = 0.76
Black: 26% / 0.50 = 0.52

Note that this includes both suspects that are armed and not armed. If you stop here with you analysis, you would say there is no disparity Whites and Blacks except for Hispanics by + 0.2. But this is not what the protest is about. Let’s continue digging.

Now focus on those fatal shootings of unarmed people:

White: 42%
Hispanic: 18%
Black: 36%

Now break down to rate of unarmed fatal shooting per arrest: % Shoot Unarmed / Ratio

White: 42% / 1 = 0.42
Hispanic: 18% / 0.25 = 0.72
Black: 36% / 0.50 = 0.72

The bottom set of statistics is what the uproar is about. Both Blacks and Hispanics are at around the same rate, +0.32 or around 75% more than the rate for whites. This is the stat that has blacks and even Hispanics uneasy with police interaction.

Note that this is all normalized to arrest and therefore has nothing to do with population breakdown etc. Its all relative to the encounters with police to remove biases

You can download the data and do your own analysis. I will point out that in any case, those that are the majority will always have the most numbers. When comparing categories you must compare either based on rate or % of the affect to gain clarity and normalize to remove biases. Just be aware of such. In addition I learned that there is a lot of lumping which can be very misleading. Case in point the lumping of Hispanics with Whites for certain things but breaking out for others. If you went White to White without looking at the data and how it is structured then it can be very misleading.
This post was edited on 6/6/20 at 11:51 am
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
5438 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 11:57 am to
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You can download the data and do your own analysis. I will point out that in any case, those that are the majority will always have the most numbers.


Thanks for the info. But you didn’t really answer my question and if you don’t know it off the top of your head that’s fine. Was asking for actual numbers not %’s to determine magnitude of the problem.

Regardless this is a discussion for the poli board and it’s noon on Saturday so I’d rather maintain my sanity. Enjoy your weekend.
Posted by Tigris Christi
Member since Jul 2016
1830 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 12:19 pm to
Been all around the world 4 or 5 times over the last 24 years. And while there are some awesome places that I would love to live, when it comes down to opportunity and the freedom to choose your own destiny nothing compares to what we, WE PEOPLE OF ALL RACES have in America! To use a quote from Rick Flair:
"Whether you like it, or you don't like it, learn to love it! It's the best thing going today!"
Posted by Jrv2damac
Kanorado
Member since Mar 2004
65745 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 12:33 pm to
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Yep and he's very good at it and better than most, but life and inequality in life is what he's speaking of and he understands that life is bigger than a sport. His intelligence can make him a living as well.


Maybe his intelligence can offer him the opportunity to utilize basic easily accessible statistics that don't back up his dumbfrick narrative whatsoever.
Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
30616 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 2:14 pm to
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Texas wr Brennan Eagles won’t play another snap amid racial injustice


He is just doing this for a show right now. When it gets closer to game time he will play.
Posted by blueboxer1119
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
8075 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 2:18 pm to
Dude can't spell for shite.

His Texas edumacation aint working dog...
Posted by Keaux10
Grand Isle
Member since Feb 2019
1769 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 2:33 pm to
He will be there, just give him the attention he wants, like all the others, LOL..
Posted by cstewa7
Member since May 2010
190 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 8:20 pm to
Same you you bro. Fist bump.

Agree this is for the poli board.

Let me know if you want the raw data. Drop me a line at clos11_2000@yahoo.com
Posted by Tiger in Texas
Houston, Texas
Member since Sep 2004
20931 posts
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:45 pm to
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A guy who has free college


Well, if he is not going to play football for his own personal reasons, I would think the Univ. of Texas tells the kid- "Sorry, son- but if you don't want to play football, then your scholarship is revoked...do you have your personal check as payment for the next sememster?"
Posted by mpwilging
Punta Gorda Isles, Florida
Member since Jan 2011
7062 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 6:13 am to
Another snowflake, and a stupid one at that.

His path to $$ is by playing and playing well...
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