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re: God Has A Plan For Your Life

Posted on 5/8/20 at 5:23 pm to
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 5:23 pm to
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Or because God is good, it naturally follows that his commands contain his goodness. You keep trying to separate God from goodness and so Christians will reject your false dichotomy.


You've just pushed the problem back one step.

Where did his nature come from?

Did he choose his own nature (which means actions are morally good because God commands it) or did he not choose his own nature (Goodness isn't up to God, it's outside of his control, he's just the middleman relaying morality to humanity)?

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Because it has happened in the 20th Century... On what basis are you claiming any of these things are wrong? Don't forget you have subjective moral standards. You may not like that it happened but you have your subjective moral standards and others have their own. Who are you to tell them that they are wrong and you are right or vice versa?


It's really interesting to see these two answers back to back.

To you, a subjective moral system allowing for kids to be killed sounds horrific. But an objective moral system that allows for that very same thing is ok because by definition it has to be ok.

That's as good of a reason to allow the mass killing of children if I've ever heard one!
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 5:24 pm
Posted by TCUFan
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 6:04 pm to
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You've just pushed the problem back one step.

Where did his nature come from?

Did he choose his own nature (which means actions are morally good because God commands it) or did he not choose his own nature (Goodness isn't up to God, it's outside of his control, he's just the middleman relaying morality to humanity)?


You have just repackaged your argument with the same false dichotomy. You keep trying to treat God as if he was you. He is not. He is the Creator and you are part of his Creation. He is the uncaused cause. He is beyond time, space and matter. Goodness is God. It is not a question of creation or choosing.


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It's really interesting to see these two answers back to back.


You dodged the questions. I could understand why you would want to but this is a big problem for atheists who want to be critical of Christianity on morality grounds. As an atheist with subjective morality standards, you lack a sound basis upon which to criticize Christianity on moral grounds.

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To you, a subjective moral system allowing for kids to be killed sounds horrific. But an objective moral system that allows for that very same thing is ok because by definition it has to be ok.


I do believe Christian morality is best for society because God set the world a certain way. I do believe God can deliver judgment as he is the Creator. I also recognize my own limitations and God has many attributes (omnipotent, omnipotent, omniscience, etc.) that I do not have which make it ridiculous for me to think I can question his judgment.

I also recognize the many problems of subjective moral standards which you want to pretend do not exist. I have seen what has become of society in the West as we have pulled away from Christian morality and applied your subjective morality and it is not a positive.
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