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re: God Has A Plan For Your Life
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:06 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:06 pm to FooManChoo
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1) God cannot lie, and 2) Do we have any other choice? Rejection of God's promises is how we fell in to sin in the first place.
according to who? The bible? the book written by man?
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God is the highest good there is and the very definition of perfection. Why would we not worship God? He created us to worship Him; that's our very purpose. An object we create for a purpose that doesn't fulfill that purpose is usually discarded as being trash. Why can't God destroy those who don't do what we were created to do?
so we are his toys? he didnt need us but he created us anyway, put us on a path through suffering and if we lose faith that he is real we suffer for eternity?
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He doesn't have to as He owes no one anything,
my point exactly. why are we choosing to believe his words when he chooses us to die or suffer so nonchalantly. we are his pawns according to the book. doesnt seem like he created us out of need therefore he doesnt need us to exist but he created us anyway. Why? to show what he can do? or to make us suffer with a promise of no suffering if we follow him only?
How do you justify that people several thousand years ago got it right? That what they wrote down is the absolute truth with no wiggle room?
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:16 pm to lsaltee
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How do you justify that people several thousand years ago got it right? That what they wrote down is the absolute truth with no wiggle room?
Legitimate questions. A partial answer for me is that I believe God put the question in our hearts (there is substantial evidence that all cultures practice religion of some sort) and therefore owed us an answer. It makes sense to me that would answer the question. I would actually want to ask him why he waited so long to provide the answer, as opposed to saying that "several thousand years ago" was too early to be believed now.
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doesnt seem like he created us out of need therefore he doesnt need us to exist but he created us anyway. Why? to show what he can do? or to make us suffer with a promise of no suffering if we follow him only?
Eta: the answer to "why did God create us" is that he loves us.
If I had a priori knowledge that one of my children would suffer, it wouldn't stop me from creating them, because I love them. Love is creative, and existence is better than nonexistence.
Anyway, we don't have to answer questions like "why did an all-knowing God create someone who would suffer horribly as a child" because, logically God cannot know what is not knowable, thus he can't know us before we exist.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:53 pm to lsaltee
quote:According to God, Himself.
according to who? The bible? the book written by man?
I'm not sure how familiar you are with Christian theology and what the Bible teaches, but the inspiration of the Bible is a very basic doctrine. Essentially, God used men to accurately relay what He wanted humanity to understand about our relationship to Him and to one another and how we are reconciled to Him through His son.
When you and others say "written by man", the obvious connotation is that it is just another work of man and it doesn't contain the infallible word and message of God.
I'd ask you this: why do you assume the Bible is just like any other work of man? If it's actually transmitted and preserved by God, it would mean that it's not just another work of man.
quote:Toys? No. God created us in His image and desired to have a relationship with us, even in our lowered state. Even though He is wholly other than we are and infinitely holy, He still chose to send His perfect son to die for us. That isn't the work of some tyrant who considers humans mere toys.
so we are his toys? he didnt need us but he created us anyway, put us on a path through suffering and if we lose faith that he is real we suffer for eternity?
With your statement, you didn't mention the positive side. God created us in spite of His perfection and our inevitable imperfection, blessed us with life, joy, happiness, and daily provision for an allotted time while we actively rebelled against Him in unbelief, and still decided to send His very son to lower Himself to become a man like us, suffer and die for our sake, and give everlasting life to some who were His very enemies.
quote:Why do you believe God does such "nonchalantly"? God has said that He doesn't delight in the destruction of the wicked but desires that they repent (Ezekiel 18:23).
my point exactly. why are we choosing to believe his words when he chooses us to die or suffer so nonchalantly.
We are to believe His words because He cannot lie. He is truth.
quote:God created us to have a relationship with us and to glorify Himself through our worship and mutual love for each other. God doesn't need us, yet He has condescended to love us and to show mercy on us and even to save us through His son.
we are his pawns according to the book. doesnt seem like he created us out of need therefore he doesnt need us to exist but he created us anyway. Why? to show what he can do? or to make us suffer with a promise of no suffering if we follow him only?
quote:My presupposition is not that the Bible is merely a book written by the imaginations of men. My presupposition is that it's the very word of God, and therefore it is "right" because God knew what He was doing by revealing His word to us through men and He was capable of doing so accurately and with the intent to preserve it so we can know the truth.
How do you justify that people several thousand years ago got it right? That what they wrote down is the absolute truth with no wiggle room?
Posted on 5/7/20 at 10:44 pm to lsaltee
quote:what makes you think anything about god is nonchalant?
nonchalantly
quote:show me this verse
we are his pawns according to the book
quote:because he wanted a relationship with us. it's the only explanation for a god who didn't have to create us and that's precisely what he told us over and over in the bible
doesnt seem like he created us out of need therefore he doesnt need us to exist but he created us anyway. Why?
quote:because god revealed it to them
How do you justify that people several thousand years ago got it right?
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