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re: Update(April 13) on America's Wall on the southern border

Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:34 am to
Posted by deltaland
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Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:34 am to
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654 miles of border wall already existed before Trump took office, and as of August last year, Trump had replaced about 60 miles of it but not added any new length to the wall. Homeland security had gotten funding for 334 miles of wall total, 224 miles of which was just replacing old wall. Replacing old parts of the wall is something that would have happened anyway with or without Trump.

I don't know the context for these new numbers, but I bet most or all of them are still just replacing old wall.


This argument has been debunked so many times. The existing “wall” in most cares was just chain link fence or vehicle barriers. These are in high traffic areas too, and are being replaced by a wall that actually works
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:37 am to
But if you can show him a video of all 600+ miles of new wall as proof, he’ll reconsider.
Posted by Microtiger
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:45 am to
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This argument has been debunked so many times. The existing “wall” in most cares was just chain link fence or vehicle barriers. These are in high traffic areas too, and are being replaced by a wall that actually works


Ya'll, not even all of Trump's new wall looks like that big impressive wall! That's what's known as a "bollard wall", but plenty of Trump's "new" wall has been "levee wall", which is a much more normal and shorter wall. Look at that poorly formatted DHS link posted above, they literally show pictures and stats of exactly that.

You're ignorant if you think the entire length of new wall was giant bollard wall replacing cherry picked examples of bunch of logs that children arranged together.

The problem is that conservatives will trust that 100% of Trump's new wall is either brand new or is replacing those third-world walls with shining Trump steel, and liberals will trust that the whole thing is a farce and Trump has built no new wall and only replaced bollards with equally strong bollards.

The truth is in the middle. Trump has replaced a lot of walls in a normal and expected way, replaced a few photogenic embarrassing spots with big impressive bollards, built a tiny amount of new walls. What is planned is quite impressive and a definite improvement, but it is taking much longer than expected and certainly longer than promised during his campaign. To some that would be a disappointment.
This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 10:48 am
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