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re: Covid 19: misunderstandings in statistics, ascertainment bias (more testing= more "cases")

Posted on 4/27/20 at 6:57 pm to
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 4/27/20 at 6:57 pm to
The knives are coming out for Dr Ioannidis...

The bully of consensus will not stand for dissent...

Read the comments. Watch how quick the term “conspiracy theory” is hurled...
Glad to see more educated, free thinkers calling out self reinforcing group think...

https://undark.org/2020/04/24/john-ioannidis-covid-19-death-rate-critics/

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On Covid-19, a Respected Science Watchdog Raises Eyebrows For his Covid-19 work, the Stanford scientist John Ioannidis is being accused of the same bad science he has criticized.

Top: John Ioannidis chats with audience members outside an appearance at a TEDx event in Athens, Greece, in 2015. Visual: Kostas Limitsios/Flickr/CC
BY MICHAEL SCHULSON 04.24.2020


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In his email to Undark, Ioannidis also suggested more information on his team’s methodologies was forthcoming — and that it will prove their interpretation of the data to be sound. “We will be posting an updated version of the study preprint soon with far more data, additional analyses, more detail on methods and responses, that show that our data and inferences are robust,” he said, adding: “I hope that scientists will be able to focus calmly on the science and not on a blame game or a clash of political agendas. I clearly do not have any political agenda, and the least plausible characterization would be that I am ‘conservative,’ given my track record,” Ioannidis said. “My key focus remains to try to learn what I don’t know and diminish my ignorance.”

In the meantime, critics of Ioannidis say the evidence remains murky, leaving them to wonder whether a venerated scientist known for his learned and very often justified skepticism of others’ scientific work has become blind to his own methodological flaws. Travis Gerke, an epidemiologist at the Moffitt Cancer Center and a visiting scientist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, said that he read Ioannidis’ work while a graduate student. Recently he has wondered if Ioannidis should consider re-reading his own most famous paper, “Why Most Published Research Findings are False.” “His current study fits most of the high-risk criteria for falsehood that he outlines, such as publishing in a really hot scientific field with few corroborating studies, using a small bias sample, [and] reporting provocative findings in a politically charged arena,” Gerke said. “If you just go through his own work,” Gerke added, “he seems to be breaking all his own rules.”
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11100 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 3:02 pm to
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/27/hear-scientists-different-views-covid-19-dont-attack-them/

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Scientists who express different views on Covid-19 should be heard, not demonized
By VINAY PRASAD and JEFFREY S. FLIER APRIL 27, 2020



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When major decisions must be made amid high scientific uncertainty, as is the case with Covid-19, we can’t afford to silence or demonize professional colleagues with heterodox views. Even worse, we can’t allow questions of science, medicine, and public health to become captives of tribalized politics. Today, more than ever, we need vigorous academic debate.

To be clear, Americans have no obligation to take every scientist’s idea seriously. Misinformation about Covid-19 is abundant. From snake-oil cures to conspiracy theories about the origin of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes the disease, the internet is awash with baseless, often harmful ideas. We denounce these: Some ideas and people can and should be dismissed.

At the same time, we are concerned by a chilling attitude among some scholars and academics, who are wrongly ascribing legitimate disagreements about Covid-19 to ignorance or to questionable political or other motivations.


They link the article I posted above...

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Society faces a risk even more toxic and deadly than Covid-19: that the conduct of science becomes indistinguishable from politics. The tensions between the two policy poles of rapidly and systematically reopening society versus maximizing sheltering in place and social isolation must not be reduced to Republican and Democratic talking points, even as many media outlets promote such simplistic narratives.

These critical decisions should be influenced by scientific insights independent of political philosophies and party affiliations. They must be freely debated in the academic world without insult or malice to those with differing views. As always, it is essential to examine and disclose conflicts of interest and salient biases, but if none are apparent or clearly demonstrated, the temptation to speculate about malignant motivations must be resisted.

At this moment of massive uncertainty, with data and analyses shifting daily, honest disagreements among academic experts with different training, scientific backgrounds, and perspectives are both unavoidable and desirable. It’s the job of policymakers, academics, and interested members of the public to consider differing point of views and decide, at each moment, the best courses of action. A minority view, even if it is ultimately mistaken, may beneficially temper excessive enthusiasm or insert needed caveats. This process, which reflects the scientific method and the culture that supports it, must be repeated tomorrow and the next day and the next.

Scientific consensus is important, but it isn’t uncommon when some of the most important voices turn out to be those of independent thinkers, like John Ioannidis, whose views were initially doubted. That’s not an argument for prematurely accepting his contestable views, but it is a sound argument for keeping him, and others like him, at the table.
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