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re: #1 problem with this team IMO

Posted on 3/7/20 at 9:22 am to
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/7/20 at 9:22 am to
Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug. People tend to dig in on what they think, but you take it to another level.

There is no such thing as the hot hand. LINK

The Pels offense works because they look to find the best shot and they give their players, whoever they are, the green light to take it. Which drives this board nuts every time someone takes a shot no one likes.

3 months ago you were killing Gentry for his system being too perfect. Now, the players/coaches know which guys will make the 3s each night so they can be among league leaders in 3pt shooting despite streaky shooters.

Did they know Ingram, 1-7 from 3 at the time, would hit a huge one in crunch time? Seems like they didn't have good synergy to give the shot to the guy who was shooting 14% on the night. Same thing with Melli, 0-6 until he hit the tying shot, v Dallas.

Do you even understand how crazy what you're proposing is?

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Do people honestly think Moore, Jrue, Lonzo, Jackson, and Hart are dead eye, knockdown, can’t ever leave them open or they will gouge you, three point shooters?


No one is arguing that point.

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we have more streaky shooters than the Warriors, I think anyone that has watched basketball would recognize that.


lol. Yes. The Pels shooting is not as good as a team that has featured three of the best shooters of all-time. But you have League Pass, you surely watched the other Warriors. They had almost no other shooting besides those 3 guys.

The Pels have a lot of average to good 3pt shooters with one elite guy (Redick) and one guy getting there (Ingram). They have a system that generates good looks and they have a coach that gives them the green light to keep shooting even when they are off.

Again, sample size is a thing you might want to look up
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 9:24 am
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 3/7/20 at 10:04 am to
Corndeaux, you become a chore to talk to because you refuse to engage honestly with anyone you find disagreements with.

You didn’t grasp the concept of synergy and now you are going into chapter long pathetically concocted rebuttals to unrelated conversations using out-of-context snippets to personally attack me. Combining that with absurd straw men to make ridiculous points.

Our offense often being better than the sum of our parts in certain areas is because we do a good to great job spreading the ball around and then when the players that are doing well are identified, we tend to utilize them, when they aren’t, we go elsewhere. Sometimes to a fault according to some. It’s not absolute, but anyone watching this team can see we aren’t just mindlessly asking guys to jack the same shots no matter what. There is a reason Jrue has only taken more than 6 threes when he isn’t shooting well like once or twice this season, all other times it is because he is hitting. You as a team try and feed what is working game to game and if you have the right pieces and the right flow, your sum becomes greater together than the individual parts. Not that difficult a concept. Nowhere did I say though that is some absolute concept and we always execute that like some robotic entity. Like of fricking course you still have times where you rely on guys that have had off-nights coming through in big moments because they have historically proven themselves. Of course some players are still going to force the issue or be given longer leashes than others.

What I said about Gentry is that I suspect part of why we struggle out the gate season after season barring few exceptions, in addition to injuries, is that Gentry pushes unrealistic expectations too fast, he demands a near perfect brand of basketball from imperfect players/situations while not being the most structured coach and I think it is a contributing factor. whereas better coaches do a better job personalizing and crafting their systems to the development level and strengths and weaknesses of their team. I’d add that on top of that, he often does so with imperfect rotations. For instance, we really started to turn it around when we really embraced the idea of having 3-4 shooters and 3 ball movers on the court at almost all times. Before that we were trying to o execute the way we play now using at times, lineups and rotations that just didnt lend itself well.

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The Pels have a lot of average to good 3pt shooters with one elite guy (Redick) and one guy getting there (Ingram). They have a system that generates good looks


So you have a team of one elite shooter off the bench, and then a bunch of average to good shooters, so how does that turn into an elite near league-leading unit? Synergy dumbass. A system that generates looks, by maximizing rotations and ball movement, and not just telling everyone to chuck it like you think. If everyone just came out and chucked mindlessly all game, we would be an average to possibly slightly below average shooting team. But we do as good as anyone optimizing all aspects of offensive strategy to generate that sort of elite synergy.
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 10:13 am
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