If the Dems are so opposed to socialism

Are you willing to do something about it?



I’m not to trying to be a dick, but this critique is always so frustrating because, while it has elements of truth, it could be easily corrected if more people simply chose to be involved in education. It’s tough to criticize liberals for spreading their ideology through education when conservatives absolutely refuse to get involved in education.


I get that it’s not the most lucrative career, but I’d really love to see a surge of conservative parents and professionals get involved in education later in their lives after their kids have moved out and they are in the final years of their careers. More professionals giving back to educate the next generations would be hugely beneficial and infinitely more valuable than education being almost entirely dominated by career teachers who have little to no sense of how the business world actually works.


All it would take is good people choosing to get involved. Sadly that doesn’t happen enough.

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It’s tough to criticize liberals for spreading their ideology through education when conservatives absolutely refuse to get involved in education.

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No, it isn’t. Reading and math skills should have nothing to do with marxism, and any teacher found to be instilling that in children should be banned from the profession.

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I’m all for it if we could let teacher pay be based on merit. If we keep these wage fixing regulations in play where all teachers earn equal salaries, then making teaching lucrative is just not possible unfortunately.


But I am 100% on board with letting it become a lucrative career for the best teachers by letting teacher pay/raises be based on performance rather than uniform across the board fixed wages.

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It should be a lucrative career for even a mediocre teacher.

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But if a majority of our history teachers are socialists, then yea, they are going to slant history classes towards pro-socialists narratives.

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And they should be banned from the profession.

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There should be no career, of any type, that is lucrative when the worker is a flat out failure.

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Being a mediocre educator is not a flat out failure. That also applies to literally every job on this planet.

Ehh... maybe. I guess it depends on how we define quality cutoffs. But I won’t argue semantics in that point. What I will say is that a mediocre educator has a profound negative impact on the children they are tasked to serve. And in that sense, the word failure does seem to be appropriate.



But beyond that, and more to the point of my post, would you agree that there are at least some subset of teachers that are, objectively, failures. Teachers who don’t do the work, don’t care about their students, and are just genuinely uninterested in facilitating knowledge to our next generations?

We can argue about what percentage of the teaching population falls into that category, but I hope we can both agree that the portion is not 0%. And it is utterly nonsensical that the teaching unions and politicians have protected these failures by forcing uniform teacher pay. That framework absolutely has to end or it will be literally impossible to make teaching a lucrative career.

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Same principle

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Nah, it just flat out isn’t.

But if you can’t see that plainly obvious reality on your own, then I unfortunately won’t be able to show it to through a TD poli talk exchange.

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No, not maybe. Mediocrity is inevitable and impossible to avoid.

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Yes, some mediocrity is inevitable. No, it should not be incentivized.

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No, poor teachers do. Mediocre teachers are able to effectively educate children.

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Ok, so maybe this is just our arguing of semantics issue again. To me, mediocre means of low quality. But if the adjective poor betters describes the types of teachers I’m talking about in your mind, feel free to replace the word ‘mediocre’ in my previous posts with the word ‘poor’. The core message is the same.

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Sure, but contrary to what you said earlier in the post. The amount DOES matter.

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My post doesn’t say that the portion doesn’t matter. My post establishes that teaching quality exists on a spectrum. And if we treat opposite ends of that spectrum equally, we will drive away individuals who would otherwise pull the spectrum up.

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They protect the failures, average, and exceptional alike.

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That is just flat out, absolutely, unequivocally false. Uniform pay only protects the failures at the expense of the exceptional. And I don’t see any even remotely viable argument to the contrary.

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uniform pay only protects the failures at the expense of the exceptional. And I don’t see any even remotely viable argument to the contrary.

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Know much about teachers unions? Any first hand experience?