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re: Does the left really believe we can power the entire country on solar and wind?

Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:14 pm to
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:14 pm to
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That's because I'm 100% tired of emotionally driven, no actual knowledge arguments that would HARM my children being pushed by people with no real interest in LEARNING because, well, they think they're so brilliant because they're 20 and their college professor said blah blah blah.



Two of my best friends just finished phd programs in geology and mechanical engineering. We talk about this stuff because they work in energy now. They're not libs. They're pretty normal nerds.

There is just so much misinformation on both sides of the debate. The fossil fuel industry thrives on it too. Qualified people are spouting bullshite. Which makes it very hard to get to the truth.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27374 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:16 pm to
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Two of my best friends just finished phd programs in geology and mechanical engineering.


So, just to be clear, you have absolutely no experience in the field and very little real life experience to back up anything you are spouting....
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:23 pm to
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There is just so much misinformation on both sides of the debate. The fossil fuel industry thrives on it too. Qualified people are spouting bullshite. Which makes it very hard to get to the truth.


Yes

But you really CAN apply some logic yourself.

Hell. If you do NOTHING else in your life but play, what I call, the "if this is true then what else must be true" game, you'll became an exponentially better critical thinker.

Your media doesn't lie so much to you as they obfuscate. They tell you shite that they know sells, and then, if it never occurs to you to ask the question after the question, GREAT!

Sure. Windmills are f'n awesome. But, when someone tells you they plan to achieve a particular goal.........and, how much their emissions will be AFTER they achieve that goal, they are leaving out...........ON PURPOSE...........some critical info.

Namely. Um. That shite ain't free(and I don't just mean money).

Also. Even if you love alternative fuel, you have to acknowledge that most of them are FAR less efficient.

Less efficient = more input to produce the same results. IE............a shite TON of windmills which will require...........a shite TON of resources to produce.

Which brings us to economics and opportunity costs which frankly, the left seems completely incapable of even thinking about.

We do not have infinite people or infinite qualified people.

Every man working AT ANY STAGE of the "make windmills" chain.........is a man NOT working in another area.

So. You aren't just shitting tons of resources to make the windmills. You're shitting manpower!

Thus, on your way to that huge increase in carbon emissions we are told are so horrible, you also, by definition, INCREASE the cost of CURRENT shite. Of EVERYTHING!

NONE of which is EVER friggin calculated by these power hungry politicians.

You can meet the goals. We have the ability. You just may fricking bankrupt the whole damned world and starve 2 billion people in the process.
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